I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


Natter 39 and Holding  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


P.M. Marc - Oct 07, 2005 11:09:40 am PDT #4333 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I can't speak from personal experience, but I suspect the "no sounds or expressions of pain" thing won't last terribly long once labor really gets going. Especially without drugs.

Eh, I wasn't especially loud, and probably could have done the whole thing quietly, but birth isn't exactly peaceful for the kidlet, who's the one getting his or her head squished while he or she gets pushed out.

So, the notion that somehow being a quiet little woman while you do it makes it all better is... kind of absurd.


Ginger - Oct 07, 2005 11:11:46 am PDT #4334 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

My family was in the meat business for three generations. I've seen vegetables that had higher IQs than cattle. I was going to things like openings of meat processing plants when I was a kid. I do think the time they gave toy lambs to the kids at the opening of a lamb processing plant was in questionable taste. "Oh, see the lambs. They're so cute. Let's kill them."


Fred Pete - Oct 07, 2005 11:14:36 am PDT #4335 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

I'll give Tony Danza a pass because he seemed to be commenting on the double standard, not criticizing the pregnancy per se.


msbelle - Oct 07, 2005 11:15:59 am PDT #4336 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

but how is it a double standard?


bon bon - Oct 07, 2005 11:18:46 am PDT #4337 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I do think the time they gave toy lambs to the kids at the opening of a lamb processing plant was in questionable taste.

When I grow up, I'm going to go to Bovine University!


Allyson - Oct 07, 2005 11:21:47 am PDT #4338 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

but how is it a double standard?

Yeah. I dont get it.

It's like, "msbelle, you don't like rhubarb so you can't possibly have a cat."

It doesn't make sense.


Fred Pete - Oct 07, 2005 11:32:28 am PDT #4339 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

but how is it a double standard?

Maybe "hypocrisy" is the better word. Danza seemed to be saying that Cruise shouldn't be so eager to raise a big moral fuss about antidepressant medication if he's going to violate traditional moral values with premarital sex. IOW, it isn't the sex/pregnancy, it's Cruise's "I'm above the rules" attitude.


Jessica - Oct 07, 2005 11:34:18 am PDT #4340 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

IOW, it isn't the sex/pregnancy, it's Cruise's "I'm above the rules" attitude.

Does Scientology have a rule about premarital sex/kids, though?


Lee - Oct 07, 2005 11:36:46 am PDT #4341 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

ita, insent with a question


Jesse - Oct 07, 2005 11:36:52 am PDT #4342 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Does Scientology have a rule about premarital sex/kids, though?

That was my question, and it must really not.