Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Spike's Bitches 26: Damn right I'm impure!  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


JZ - Oct 19, 2005 10:01:30 am PDT #9386 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

H'rm, ita, I'm not totally sure. My knowledge is cobbled together from a number of sources, though I'm sure there are some history-of-fashion omnibus volumes that have all the info in one place. In googling about, it looks like there are a few history of the corset sites that give you some idea of the shifts in the ideal shape, and I have a basic history of clothing book at home that scampers from the Dark Ages straight through to the 80s or 90s, but my brain is too sick-fogged to remember the name.

My totally ex cloaca 20th century body silhouette history goes roughly like this:

Aughts to teens: Pigeon-breasted - big emphasis on the bust, tiny waist (but photos of the time were usually retouched at the waist, so it wasn't quite as bad as it look), ass also appreciated (the bustle was fading but not quite gone).

Mid-teens to 20s: Getting lankier, less breasty, less hippy (influenced partly by the women's suffrage movements in England and the US, but likely also by the Great War -- clothing generally gets less foofy in wartime, due to both Bigger Things At Stake and worker/material shortages), ending in the flapper androgyne look, with outerwear bulking way the hell out around the time of Prohibition, both because it facilitated booze-smuggling and because if you were a hip edgy young person wishing to piss off all the grownups, what better way to do it than by looking like a smuggler? The gangsta look is so nothing new.

30s: A bit curvier than the flappers, but still slim, lanky, athletic.

40s: Curvier still, big shoulders (faux military styles cropping up, again with the wartime influence).

50s: Full-on hourglass, slightly more tolerance of big lush figures (as long as there was still a little tiny waist - that's a miserable constant).

60s: Back to the skinny flat ideal, except tilting more waiflike than dangerously androgynous (cf. the ascendance of the wee, elfin and absurdly perfect Audrey Hepburn, the big late-60s mad love for Twiggy).

70s: The fuck. I have no idea.

80s: See 70s, except with shoulder pads and preppies and stoners and drama geeks and the beginning of a general fragmentation of What We're All Supposed To Look Like. There was probably some one big look that the fashion gods in New York and Paris wanted everyone to aspire to, but everyone was starting to grab whatever they liked and drift off in a billion different directions.

When I get home I'll look up the titles of the actual, you know, books.


amych - Oct 19, 2005 10:01:45 am PDT #9387 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

You know, people, somewhere out there, there's a guy waiting for a call back from the help desk, and y'all aren't helping him to get it any sooner because your PRETTY PRETTY DRESS LINKS are so much more fun.


Maria - Oct 19, 2005 10:02:28 am PDT #9388 of 10001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

I will keeel you for that one, Empress.

But first I'd have to keeel myself in the gym. I haven't seen a 27 inch waist since I last played with a Barbie doll.


Aims - Oct 19, 2005 10:03:12 am PDT #9389 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Ok, between JZ's seamstress, my new one, and Jilli's, there should be a way for all of us (that want one - I know it's improbable that everyone wants ons one) to have a pink velvet circle dress.


Amy - Oct 19, 2005 10:07:07 am PDT #9390 of 10001
Because books.

Those dresses are gorgeous. I'm having trouble deciding between them, though Aimee's is winning out, I think.

They're both making the J. Jill catalog look like chopped liver on stale toast.


Atropa - Oct 19, 2005 10:08:15 am PDT #9391 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Ok, between JZ's seamstress, my new one, and Jilli's, there should be a way for all of us (that want one - I know it's improbable that everyone wants ons one) to have a pink velvet circle dress.

Believe me, I am saving the pictures of it to show to Jay the WonderSeamstress. The trick will be finding fabric of comparable quality.


Aims - Oct 19, 2005 10:10:44 am PDT #9392 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I had a 27 inch waist when I got married 3.5 years ago. I was living off of Xenadrine the original and cigarettes, but I was skinny. [link]


Volans - Oct 19, 2005 10:11:13 am PDT #9393 of 10001
move out and draw fire

As much as I'm trending towards skirts and a more feminine style now, no, I do not want a circle dress (although...pink velvet!). I am not a big petticoat fan.

My favorite look of my own wardrobe so far was "goth film noir" which was heavy on the tailored 1940s/1950s-era suits with hats. Expensive (even making my own with Vogue vintage fashions), and quit being possible to wear to work when I started having to clamber around the computer lab daily.

Also, I was two dress sizes smaller.

New fashion goals include dropping at least one dress size and learning to wear shoes that go with skirts, then acquiring the skirts.

Unfortunately I have a hate-on for most undergarments.


Calli - Oct 19, 2005 10:13:37 am PDT #9394 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I love beautifully draping bias-cut dresses. Not sure if they love me back, but given my clothes budget it's not like it'll affect my life one way or the other.


Atropa - Oct 19, 2005 10:16:05 am PDT #9395 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

OMG!

flail, flail, flail

I just got e-mail from a recruiter from A Very Cool Company. A VCC that I submitted my resume to a few weeks ago. A VCC that one of our Buffistas works for in CA, that has a branch office here in WA.

flail flail flail

Please oh please oh please ...