Zoe: Captain will come up with a plan. Kaylee: That's good. Right? Zoe: Possibly you're not recalling some of his previous plans.

'Safe'


Natter .38 Special  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Aims - Sep 21, 2005 2:24:45 pm PDT #9736 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY.

I hope you're happy, too. I hope you're proud how you would grovel in submission, to feed your own ambition....

Sorry. It's in the CD player.

Jilli gets it.


billytea - Sep 21, 2005 2:25:56 pm PDT #9737 of 10002
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

gently-nagging Goth Mary Poppins

Oh, that reminds me, Jilli, do you know anything about The Corpse Bride? They had a preview for it at Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Looks rather interesting.


Jessica - Sep 21, 2005 2:29:59 pm PDT #9738 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought risks of blood clots/strokes/heart attacks were still applicable. Is the risk just not as high as they originally thought 40 years ago?

If you have a preexisting condition that puts you at risk for blood clots (as I do), it's recommended that you use only low-estrogen pills, and most gynos will make you sign a waiver saying "I have read about the risk of blood clot, and I still really don't want to get pregnant."

The risk is much much lower than it was in the 60's/70's because the hormone levels in BC pills have gone down drastically.

I'd never heard of strokes/heart attacks being related to BC pills before this article.


Aims - Sep 21, 2005 2:31:44 pm PDT #9739 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I'd never heard of strokes/heart attacks being related to BC pills before this article.
I had, but only once. Again, due to the higher level of hormones that used to be in the pills. I was on Ortho-Novum 1/35s. There was a 1/70 my OB/GYN told me about and they took it off the market because it was causing strokes. IIRC.


Atropa - Sep 21, 2005 2:32:42 pm PDT #9740 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Oh, that reminds me, Jilli, do you know anything about The Corpse Bride? They had a preview for it at Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Looks rather interesting.

Gorgeous stop-motion animation movie based on a Russian folk tale, and that I'm going to see it opening night? And that I'm never, ever going to have any spending money again, thanks to collecting toys from that AND the never-ending line of Nightmare Before Christmas merchandise?


§ ita § - Sep 21, 2005 2:35:01 pm PDT #9741 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gorgeous stop-motion animation movie based on a Russian folk tale, and that I'm going to see it opening night? And that I'm never, ever going to have any spending money again, thanks to collecting toys from that AND the never-ending line of Nightmare Before Christmas merchandise?

Just another way to say "No," huh?

Shouldn't I feel a swell of righteousness at having called in sick? Something? Where's the payoff of virtue? Also, is chocolate bad for a cranky stomach?


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2005 2:35:45 pm PDT #9742 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'd never heard of strokes/heart attacks being related to BC pills before this article.

Scientists could just be extrapolating from the blood-clot risk. I've heard plenty about that, especially if you smoke and are over 35, but nothing about strokes/heart attacks.

But my BP went up after going on the Pill last year, which is why I'd prefer an IUD, though I don't know if my OB/GYN will agree, b/c they're weird about women who haven't had kids getting IUDs.


amych - Sep 21, 2005 2:35:50 pm PDT #9743 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I've heard about strokes and BCP, but specifically in smokers on high-dose pills -- which fits with it being an early round of safety panic, before either dosages or the specific risky factors were as well known as they are now.


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2005 2:36:48 pm PDT #9744 of 10002
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

(Though, really, my personality is all the birth-control I need....)


amych - Sep 21, 2005 2:37:15 pm PDT #9745 of 10002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

(pfffft)