If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

Book ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter .38 Special  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Bob Bob - Aug 23, 2005 1:32:56 pm PDT #660 of 10002

ita wrote,

So it's only about the conclusion? Not about the axioms or the process of getting there? Because you could just pick a good conclusion, rig the argument, and booyah!

No, it's also about the premises you use to get to the conclusion. For instance, Peter Singer uses some plausible-looking premises and rules of inference to get to the conclusion that we all have a strong moral obligation to give all the money we make over $30,000 to Oxfam.


msbelle - Aug 23, 2005 1:33:36 pm PDT #661 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

fluffy bunny.


Bob Bob - Aug 23, 2005 1:35:00 pm PDT #662 of 10002

It'd be more interesting, to me, to prove that an all-powerful and all-loving god would make faith a test, the losing side of which gets eternal damnation.

I can do this, if you want (it's not an argument I buy, but it's an argument that William Lane Craig buys).


Kat - Aug 23, 2005 1:35:48 pm PDT #663 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I did Tommy, on edit, link to the syllabus...

But, in a nutshell

How do you philosophize about the absolutely unknown? About the (perhaps) unknowable? Death may present philosophy with its most profound questions . . . How do you think the unthinkable? How do you conceptualize the entirely other? For philosophy, death is the limit of certainty, and the certainty of (a) limit. It is (at) the limit of philosophy, which is why it makes an interesting philosophical subject. Is it also the end? Of the subject? Of philosophy? And how are we to understand that end? We’ll take up these questions in the works of four contemporary thinkers: Martin Heidegger, Georges Bataille, Emmanuel Levinas, and Jacques Derrida.

Texts
Georges Bataille, Erotism: Death and Sensuality. City Lights, 1986. ISBN: 0872861902 (paperback)
Jacques Derrida, Aporias. Stanford University Press, 1994. ISBN: 0804722528. (paperback)
Jacques Derrida, The Gift of Death. University of Chicago Press, 1996. ISBN: 0226143066. (paperback)
Martin Heidegger, Being and Time: A Translation of Sein and Zeit, Trans. Joan Stambaugh. State University of New York Press, 1996. ISBN: 0791426785 (paperback)
Emmanuel Levinas, God, Death, and Time. Stanford University Press, 2000. ISBN: 0804736669


§ ita § - Aug 23, 2005 1:38:28 pm PDT #664 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For instance, Peter Singer uses some plausible-looking premises and rules of inference to get to the conclusion that we all have a strong moral obligation to give all the money we make over $30,000 to Oxfam.

Okay, this I totally get. I mean, argument for argument's sake -- what's not to love? What's the pay scale like?


msbelle - Aug 23, 2005 1:39:06 pm PDT #665 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

That right there looks like some light reading, Kat. Perhaps one of those should be the next tome for the club.


Kat - Aug 23, 2005 1:40:02 pm PDT #666 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

MWAH! you're a cutie msbelle!

Hey, speaking of light reading, though this genuinely is. Have you heard of the Historian?


ChiKat - Aug 23, 2005 1:40:06 pm PDT #667 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Derrida recently died (last Nov, I think), so I wonder if he found that he was right.


tommyrot - Aug 23, 2005 1:40:24 pm PDT #668 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What's the pay scale like?

Maximum salary is $30,000.


§ ita § - Aug 23, 2005 1:45:40 pm PDT #669 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Maximum salary is $30,000.

Only until someone proves different ...