Zoe: What's that, sir? Mal: Freedom, is what. Zoe: No, I meant what's that? Mal: Oh. Yeah. Just step around it. I think something must've been living in here.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter .38 Special  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Sep 03, 2005 2:42:00 pm PDT #4454 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

God I hope that's not true. Considering the source, I'd say there's a fair chance. Not to say the the Bushies wouldn't suggest something like that.


Trudy Booth - Sep 03, 2005 2:44:00 pm PDT #4455 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Former Senator Carol Mosley Braun just reported on CNN that the Bush Administration is planning on burying the victims of Hurricane Katrina in mass graves.

How many actual bodies were there after the WTC?


JZ - Sep 03, 2005 2:44:07 pm PDT #4456 of 10002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Former Senator Carol Mosley Braun just reported on CNN that the Bush Administration is planning on burying the victims of Hurricane Katrina in mass graves.

The fuck the fuck the fuck? Their families, all the kids and grandkids and parents all over the country who've been posting on check-in websites looking for any news, good or bad, just wanting to know... Just... fuck. No words.


Trudy Booth - Sep 03, 2005 2:46:40 pm PDT #4457 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

GWB, 1912: "The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic movie someday. Out of the shipwreck in the North Atlantic -- and we've lost the entire boat -- there's going to be a fantastic Hollywood spectacle. And I'm looking forward to sitting down with a big bowl of popcorn and watching 'Titanic.'"

This one cracked my shit up.


brenda m - Sep 03, 2005 2:48:18 pm PDT #4458 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Seriously, folks, she's kind of a crackpot, and unlikely to be in possession of any information outside of the mainstream. I'd wait for confirmation on this one. Until then, I'll keep hoping she's talking out her ass.


le nubian - Sep 03, 2005 2:48:26 pm PDT #4459 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Trudy,

[link]

289 bodies found intact after 9/11


le nubian - Sep 03, 2005 2:49:56 pm PDT #4460 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

brenda, you are right about the crackpot part. I can see it happening if 10K people are dead.


sarameg - Sep 03, 2005 2:50:01 pm PDT #4461 of 10002

Some of the Maryland NG that flew out yesterday expect to be tasked in building emergency morgue facilities. So I'll wait, as Brenda suggested.


Trudy Booth - Sep 03, 2005 2:52:06 pm PDT #4462 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

le nubian, you're quick!


dw - Sep 03, 2005 3:13:04 pm PDT #4463 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

Back from Fry's. So...

Is there some reason why Arkansas and Oklahoma are being brushed over if people are going to Arizona and WV?

Fort Chafee (outside Ft. Smith) is supposedly taking 4000 evacuees. 2000 are expected at Camp Gruber (outside Braggs, OK -- shoutout to Sarah Vowell), but apparently there's some massive miscommunication that's postponed the setup in Oklahoma (per the Tulsa World). Oh, and another 3000 will be at a Baptist youth summer camp in NE Oklahoma.

Oh, and there's some word that Tulsa itself may get refugees, which is kinda ironic when you consider the role of refugee camps in the post-Greenwood Riot era.

Oklahoma City, OTOH, said screw refugees, give us the Hornets. [link]

(OK, they didn't say "screw refugees.")

The fuck the fuck the fuck? Their families, all the kids and grandkids and parents all over the country who've been posting on check-in websites looking for any news, good or bad, just wanting to know... Just... fuck. No words.

I know it sounds harsh, but in huge catastrophes like these, it's sometimes more practical to go the mass grave route.

But what they'll likely do is try and identify remains based on personal articles and some DNA, return the bodies to the family, and bury the ones left in a mass grave. Aboveground, of course. Or, maybe they won't.

10,000 dead would mean the largest loss of life in a disaster since Galveston, but in Galveston's case most of the bodies washed away. We're kind of in unknown territory here. There's a spot in a Tulsa cemetary that's supposed to have hundreds of unidentified bodies from the Greenwood Riot, but the ground radar survey they did in the late 90s showed no human remains.

Oh, and let's see... collapse of civil order, a military stretched too thin, a dismissive president, Halliburton... boy, it just needs one more thing before NOLA == Iraq. Can someone say the secret word and win $50?

[link]

While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes.

DING DING DING DING!!!!!