And Kaylee, what the hell's goin' on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

Mal ,'The Train Job'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beth b - Sep 01, 2005 8:28:37 am PDT #3590 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I would not have screamed at condi. But I work in public service. Part of the job - is dealing with people that scream at me. Maybe because I don't have anyone to stand between me and the public, but I don't think the secret service needed to be invovled .


Nutty - Sep 01, 2005 8:30:18 am PDT #3591 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I would scream at Condi about how comparing the Lusitania to Sept. 11 was stupidest metaphor in the whole entire world, and then I would proceed to assault her with a history textbook. And then I would be arrested in as spectacular and Jon-Stewart-attracting a fashion as possible.

I have never gotten over how she went before the 9/11 commission and was allowed to waste 30 minutes of her (pre-determined) allotted time talking about the stupid, stupid Lusitania.

My library has a disaster plan.

Mine did to, when I worked there. I think it's a formal requirement of any arm of city/town government, although the rule seems to be oft-honored in its breach. At any rate, there was a scenario-wheel, and a giant bin of Important Tools (flashlights, tarps, etc.).


Lee - Sep 01, 2005 8:31:09 am PDT #3592 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I was thinking something alone similar lines, bon.

Me too.


§ ita § - Sep 01, 2005 8:31:23 am PDT #3593 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think the secret service needed to be invovled .

It's their job, though, to remove people before it's apparent they're a threat. If you can't keep it together enough to not shriek irrelevantly at a high-ranking government official, I consider it perfectly fair.

Hell, if I were doing security for Britney freaking Spears, I'd see what I could do to have the person removed.

If I were managing the store, same thing, no matter who was being shrieked at, if they hadn't started it.


DXMachina - Sep 01, 2005 8:32:55 am PDT #3594 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

My library has a disaster plan.

My company has one. I know this because I wrote it.


Volans - Sep 01, 2005 8:33:09 am PDT #3595 of 10002
move out and draw fire

I can't cope with it. I have to stop reading news about the hurricane.

Indeed.

But, first, I'm going to rage a bit.

I don't fault Dubya for not "preventing" the flooding in NOLA. It was going to happen no matter what. That's the way this city was designed and built. It's odd that an "improved" levee collapsed, but I'm not sure what to make of this.

I hold Dubya personally responsible for caring less about hurricanes and caring more about terror attacks.

Mostly I agree, but I do hold him a bit responsible. We've refused to sign the Kyoto Accords, or any international agreement that has an eye toward limiting the negative effects of industry on the environment. Yes, there have been Cat 5 storms before global warming, and no, I can't prove Katrina was the direct result of global warming, but the administration's head-in-the-backside-of-industry stance isn't helping. And even though this will cost the US billions of dollars, I doubt Bush or his affiliates will change their spots.

Also, I'm not entirely sure I agree that he cares about terror attacks. Other than instituting DHS and making some other domestic changes like the Patriot Act that look suspiciously like steps toward fascism, he hasn't done much against terrorists.

However, I am sure that his supporters will continue to say he's a wonderful president.

BARNES: But last year, when there were two hurricanes, and I got a new roof, I paid my part. My private insurance company paid the other part. The federal government and taxpayers paid no part.

Except, even private insurance spreads the cost out to other people.

Barnes' stance is the stance that just drives me fucking apeshit, the "I can do what I want to, but you all have to suck it up." He can distribute the costs of having his (second? third?) home in a nice but unsafe place, while everyone else should've had the foresight to live somewhere cheap and safe. I'm sure all the folks living well below the poverty line in Metarie appreciate his wisdom.

I think the White House has gotten it's act together. But the first two days were not impressive.

I don't. And I don't like the fact that once again, they are reactive (and slow at that). It's not like we didn't see this coming.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't think we should rebuild New Orleans. There's going to have to be a port there, but the talk of rebuilding the whole city strikes me as shock talking. Shock, and the latter-day conservatism (not the political kind) that says maps can't change, and cities need to always be where they've been. If we do rebuild it, I hope they use the Galveston model Nutty mentioned, and do it right. But I won't hold my breath; politics in Louisiana have always been more, um, pork-barrelly, than that.


Lee - Sep 01, 2005 8:38:36 am PDT #3596 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Just so you all can be very jealous:

I just got this in an email:
Today's Lunch Menu:
Appetizers -
Harvest Spring Rolls Cut in Half
Crab Won tons

Entrees - Oriental Chicken Salad - Chicken on the side
Chang's Spicy Chicken
Veggie Lo Mein
Beef and Broccoli
Buddha's Feast - stir fried
Orange Peel Shrimp

Cookies for dessert...


Gudanov - Sep 01, 2005 8:38:40 am PDT #3597 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

And it comes back to Dubya's beloved Homeland Security. They're so focused on keeping cuticle scissors off airplanes they have neglected the very basics of disaster prevention.

Isn't a big part of Homeland Security supposed to be response? It seems like there has been a lot of confusion and chaos in the response to the disaster in NO.


tommyrot - Sep 01, 2005 8:40:28 am PDT #3598 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Scott McClellan just finished meeting with the press right, and he got a lot of questions about the Bush administration's decision to cut funding for the New Orleans district of the Army Corps of Engineers and the president's slow trek back to Washington after disaster struck.

Yay! (to the press holding Bush accountable for once.)

"This is not a time for politics," McClellan said. "This is a time for the nation to come together and help those in the Gulf Coast region. That's where our focus is."

There's no question about where the president's focus is right now, of course. The question is, where was Bush's focus over the last four years, when his administration and the Republican-controlled Congress imposed draconian cuts on the agency responsible for flood control in New Orleans -- and where was Bush's focus earlier this week, when he was campaigning for his war in California as people died in New Orleans.

[link]

Of course, it's not a time for politics. Because the politics of the situation are to the administration's disadvantage.


Anne W. - Sep 01, 2005 8:41:47 am PDT #3599 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

There's going to have to be a port there, but the talk of rebuilding the whole city strikes me as shock talking. Shock, and the latter-day conservatism (not the political kind) that says maps can't change, and cities need to always be where they've been.

I think another factor behind the "Let's rebuild!" talk is that New Orleans is the sort of place for which people feel strong affection, including people who have never been there. We don't want to lose the cuisine, the music, and the Mardi Gras parties. I've noticed that there's not such a chorus of "Let's rebuild!" for, say, Biloxi.