Come on out, River. The nice man wants to kidnap you.

Simon ,'Objects In Space'


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dw - Aug 30, 2005 1:52:27 pm PDT #2758 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

Not to get any more morbid, but isnt the water they're traveling through essentially a lake of poison?

Not any more than, say, the Ganges is. Or the Hudson. It's not going to kill you on contact, but I'd sure as hell avoid swallowing it.


Maria - Aug 30, 2005 1:52:38 pm PDT #2759 of 10002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

isnt the water they're traveling through essentially a lake of poison?

To put it simply, yes.

Gasoline from cars, algae and bacteria from the lake, dead animals--it's a deadly soup


Allyson - Aug 30, 2005 1:53:24 pm PDT #2760 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

while a good portion of society exists by social contract, there is a substantial portion which is only law abiding only because the police are right there.

This is my biggest nightmare.


§ ita § - Aug 30, 2005 1:54:32 pm PDT #2761 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

ita, if he's dead, I'm thinking the only thing he's using is space.

I wasn't sure if he was dead in both her scenarios.


Allyson - Aug 30, 2005 1:56:03 pm PDT #2762 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

dead animals

I didnt think of pets until I watched a CNN report where an exhausted and broken reporter described seeing a dog getting electrocuted by a downed power line and being unable to do anything about it.


DavidS - Aug 30, 2005 1:56:16 pm PDT #2763 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Gasoline from cars, algae and bacteria from the lake, dead animals--it's a deadly soup

Does that come with oyster crackers?

This is my biggest nightmare.

If it's any consolation after the earthquake there were far far more stories of people risking their lives for strangers than there were of abuse and looting and crime. Almost all of the first-at-the-scene rescuers who dug people out of the freeway collapse were the poor people who lived in West Oakland.

Still, I'd say the creep factor was in the minority but big enough to be felt. 15%? Not huge, but more than every tenth person.


bon bon - Aug 30, 2005 1:56:52 pm PDT #2764 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Well, the blackout went OK.


Trudy Booth - Aug 30, 2005 1:57:42 pm PDT #2765 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The Hudson is actually pretty clean these days. It's certainly cleaner than when Palisades Park filled it's wave pool with river water in the 50s and 60s.

All the lights were out and you suddenly realized that while a good portion of society exists by social contract, there is a substantial portion which is only law abiding only because the police are right there.

Tiajuana feels a little like that. The knowledge that you can do almost ANYTHING sorta gets under you skin and makes things seem ok that you'd never dream of doing otherwise.

And now Cass won't take me there anymore.


dw - Aug 30, 2005 1:58:06 pm PDT #2766 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval

Gasoline from cars, algae and bacteria from the lake, dead animals--it's a deadly soup

Actually, the big problem is feces and other sewage. This is almost entirely brackish lake water with a twist of petrochemicals. It's not going to kill you, but again, drinking it won't make you feel healthy and strong.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 30, 2005 1:58:13 pm PDT #2767 of 10002
What is even happening?

I'm with bon bon and Allyson. I do not think I would take anything other than food, meds and toiletries. But honestly, I don't know. Your shack has just been destroyed. The place where you made minimum wage, has just been destroyed. Your car is gone. The freaking roads are gone. Don't put the diamond necklace in front of me, baby. Sitting here in my den, north of Boston, on a rainy afternoon, I wouldn't steal it. In fact, I'd protect it for you. But if everything as far as I could see was under water, and even if I had enough food for now, I'd be worried about a month or three from now. I just don't know.

Gasoline from cars, algae and bacteria from the lake, dead animals--it's a deadly soup

You forgot chemicals from the industrial areas, fire ants, poisonous snakes, and dead bodies, and possibly oil and gasoline from refineries at some point, too.