Oh, I get it. You just don't like who did the rescuing, that's all. Wishin' I was your boyfriend what's-his-height. Oh wait, he's run off.

Spike ,'Potential'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - Aug 18, 2005 7:09:39 am PDT #9116 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Provided I don't get stuck in traffic for six hours.

t sends good traffic!karma to Shrift

Thank you so much, Juliana! I'd feel kind of imposing, but the prospect of flying over the tundra in a small plane, is omg so appealing. I'll try to let you know when I know.


Kate P. - Aug 18, 2005 7:13:51 am PDT #9117 of 10002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Nilly, thanks for reprinting that. It definitely helped me to get my mind around what you mean. And actually, I do understand what you're getting at, where the meaning of what you're doing, even the smallest action, has a connection to the larger... "the larger scheme of things" is the phrase that's coming to mind, inexact though it may be. Your actions are given meaning, to you, by the context of the history and beliefs that shape them and guide them. Is that close to what you mean?

Okay, this is an imperfect parallel, but I think for me it's like trying to use recycled materials and not waste electricity and not eat meat (not that I am very good at following these guidelines sometimes). It doesn't really matter to the world at large that I do these things. If I don't eat that burger, someone else surely will; I won't have saved that cow's life. But it's important to me, personally, that I not contribute to the economic demand for hamburgers that leads to the creation and continuation of factory farming. Does it make a difference to those who are involved with factory farming, to those who profit from it? Nope, and it never will. But it makes a difference to me that I am not involved with it myself.

So, in a similar sense, my actions in that regard don't affect anyone but myself. But they have great meaning and importance to me, because of my own beliefs.

So, to go back to what you were saying earlier:

it really drove home the point that "all that matters is what we do".

Kate, that's the way I see it, too. For me, of course, it's also about G*d and religion, but in the value of the things, in themselves, not because of any other thing.

When you say "the value of the things, in themselves", do you mean that that value comes from your beliefs and your relationship with G*d? I think that's what was confusing me before, because I wasn't sure where that connection was.

Also, I'm not sure if it's even what you're talking about, Kate, sorry!

Hey, it's all a fascinating conversation to me, detours and all!

I'm off to lunch, by the way, and you're probably off to bed, so if I don't "see" you again today, thanks for talking to me about this and helping me to understand. I always enjoy and appreciate your perspective.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2005 7:30:13 am PDT #9118 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

is it possible to skip the running tomorrow, for the "day off" sake of it?

I'm sure there's a reason that didn't occur to me.

We'll see how I feel tomorrow. I just got invited to an 8am meeting, which I find much easier to make if I do run first.


Vortex - Aug 18, 2005 7:32:00 am PDT #9119 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

so for those of us who just drink COFFEE, it's not very helpful.)

you know what I hate? when you pick up your coffee cup, try to take a last sip, and there's no coffee left, just the teasing aroma of the Coffee that Once Was.


brenda m - Aug 18, 2005 7:48:11 am PDT #9120 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, that's the worst.


Nilly - Aug 18, 2005 8:00:03 am PDT #9121 of 10002
Swouncing

Teppy, Kate - I owe you both answers, but I have to run out now. Some other time, then? The topics are too serious and important to me to short-cut my way through a hurried version of not-really-an-answer, OK?

Have good rest-of-the-day, Friday and weekends, everybody!


-t - Aug 18, 2005 8:12:34 am PDT #9122 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Apropos of nothing except my own Tv viewing habits, this week's Rescue Me is fun. Bizarro Tommy with faith and everyone happy! More than a little surreal.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 18, 2005 8:15:06 am PDT #9123 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

this week's Rescue Me is fun

Thanks for mentioning that -t. I've been meaning to say how I thought that Shiny Happy Denis Leary was simultaneously one of the funniest and creepiest things I've ever seen.


-t - Aug 18, 2005 8:18:52 am PDT #9124 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I know, Frankenbuddha! I kept thinking. who's dream are we seeing? But no one ever woke up. So weird. And so funny.


Jesse - Aug 18, 2005 8:26:32 am PDT #9125 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good lord. I am freezing and bored and I thought I'd do some filing (that's when you know it's bad), but I can't get into the office with the file cabinets. BAH.