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'Objects In Space'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kat - Jul 14, 2005 2:38:03 pm PDT #80 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I love that top one so very much.

So I have a question.

A friend of mine was telling me that if you are looking for citizenship and you enlist in the army, you become a citizen after 9 months. True or false?


P.M. Marc - Jul 14, 2005 2:39:09 pm PDT #81 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But still, Goldberg said Seattle was "ground zero for overpriced coffee," and home of more "progressive loonies than anyplace else on the Left Coast."

IN YOUR *FACE* SF!!!

I think we're loonier. But I think Seattle's more deeply lefty/progressive.

I think we breed more serial killers, and get the loon prize, too. Seattle's pretty blue, but we also have a lot of cranky anti-tax activists in the area, which means that not a lot actually gets done around here.


Kat - Jul 14, 2005 2:39:23 pm PDT #82 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Also, men in skirts? Eric Bana has great legs!


Susan W. - Jul 14, 2005 2:40:53 pm PDT #83 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I think Portland could actually beat both our fair cities, but they're smaller and thus fly under the national radar.


§ ita § - Jul 14, 2005 2:41:27 pm PDT #84 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

From about.com:

There are a number of categories of persons who are eligible to apply for United States citizenship. The changes implemented by the INS only apply to the following two categories of applicants:

a. Those who have been in the United States Armed Forces and have served for at least 3 years; (8 U.S.C. §1439) and

b. Those who have been in the United States Armed Forces and have served during periods of military hostilities. (8 U.S.C. §1440)

And:

In other words, beginning on 21 September, to a time yet to be announced, non-citizens on active duty can apply for citizenship with no further residency requirements.

So it looks like your friend is wrong, but I'd check the INS website for more corroboration.


Kat - Jul 14, 2005 2:45:13 pm PDT #85 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Okay, I'm confused. So are we in a period of military hostilities? So as soon as you enlist and serve, you can apply for citizenship?

My friend who mentioned it teaches at a school with lots of immigrants/residents/illegal immigrants and where there is a ton of very active military recruiting. It was a student who had dropped out of high school to enlist who told her this. He said it was so he could support his mother and get citizenship.


§ ita § - Jul 14, 2005 2:47:00 pm PDT #86 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So as soon as you enlist and serve, you can apply for citizenship.

The executive order:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 329 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1440) (the "Act"), and solely in order to provide expedited naturalization for aliens and noncitizen nationals serving in an active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during the period of the war against terrorists of global reach, it is hereby ordered as follows:

For the purpose of determining qualification for the exception from the usual requirements for naturalization, I designate as a period in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force the period beginning on September 11, 2001. Such period will be deemed to terminate on a date designated by future Executive Order. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States, during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and terminating on the date to be so designated, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exception to the naturalization requirements, as provided in section 329 of the Act. Nothing contained in this order is intended to affect, nor does it affect, any other power, right, or obligation of the United States, its agencies, officers, employees, or any other person under Federal law or the law of nations.

So, basically, yup.


Jesse - Jul 14, 2005 2:51:42 pm PDT #87 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I also thought his casual use of slurs was kind of offensive, as if he relished being able to say them on-air

TOTALLY.


Kat - Jul 14, 2005 2:52:13 pm PDT #88 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

NO FUCKING WAY.

And yet, of two minds.

On the one hand, if we're going to send your ass to get killed, we sure better make it easy enough to become a citizen. I get that, I do.

BUT, as a recruiting tool? That seems so evil, because it's hugely enticing especially to a nominally unempowered demographic. Wow. I'm just... Wow.

ETA thanks, ita, for finding the info.


Jesse - Jul 14, 2005 2:52:24 pm PDT #89 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh, PS: In your FACE LA-istas. Guess who I just had pizza with?