It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lyra Jane - Jul 14, 2005 12:39:15 pm PDT #65 of 10002
Up with the sun

Goldberg was the one claiming these people are "screwing up America" and that basic premise is what's flawed.

That's the book title, yeah. But from listening to what he said (I haven't read the book) it sounded like the book's argument is "this is A problem in America" not "this is the ONLY problem in America." Jon basically conceded that coarsening culture is a problem; I would have argued that point, and forgotten the "but this is worse!"

Also, if I was doing the interview, I would have made Goldberg justify some of the more ridiculous inclusions, like Jimmy Carter. Including Roy Moore does not match putting the founder of Habitat for Humanity at number six, you know?

I think Jon Stewart had fun, but as a whole that interview really wasn't more enlightening than watching Sean Hannity skewer some poor Democrat. And I expect more from TDS.


sumi - Jul 14, 2005 12:47:00 pm PDT #66 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Point Pleasant is coming out on dvd.


Laura - Jul 14, 2005 12:47:48 pm PDT #67 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.

Jimmy Carter #6!!!!!!


ChiKat - Jul 14, 2005 12:49:31 pm PDT #68 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Jimmy Carter is screwing up America? Damn him for building homes for poor people.


Theodosia - Jul 14, 2005 12:53:03 pm PDT #69 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I would have made Goldberg justify some of the more ridiculous inclusions, like Jimmy Carter. Including Roy Moore does not match putting the founder of Habitat for Humanity at number six, you know?

That's asshattedness, that is.


JohnSweden - Jul 14, 2005 12:59:04 pm PDT #70 of 10002
I can't even.

I would have made Goldberg justify some of the more ridiculous inclusions, like Jimmy Carter. Including Roy Moore does not match putting the founder of Habitat for Humanity at number six, you know?

That's an excellent point. I gather Righties hate Carter, but I'd still have had to call him on it.


Susan W. - Jul 14, 2005 1:06:28 pm PDT #71 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

My Congresscritter is #38 on Goldberg's list. And frankly, I'm not crazy about McDermott, and if the Greens would put up a challenger, I'd vote for him or her in a heartbeat. But still, Goldberg said Seattle was "ground zero for overpriced coffee," and home of more "progressive loonies than anyplace else on the Left Coast."

I'm so proud! You have to be out some tough competition to be the looniest leftiest city on this coast!


ChiKat - Jul 14, 2005 1:06:40 pm PDT #72 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I gather Righties hate Carter

This boggles. He has worked for peace and homes for the poor ever since he left office. Nobel Peace Prize for God's sake. Why would they hate him?


Topic!Cindy - Jul 14, 2005 1:07:19 pm PDT #73 of 10002
What is even happening?

I don't know how anyone could hate Carter. I can see them disagreeing with him, or resenting him (maybe, well not really, but I can allow for it), but he's so dear, so sincere, pretty wise, and so very good.


bon bon - Jul 14, 2005 1:10:34 pm PDT #74 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

He did challenge individuals by naming Barbra Streisand on the one hand and pointing out that there were three conservatives on the list-- and one had killed an abortion doctor! That right there pretty much said all you needed about Goldberg's book. If his problem is coarsening, Jimmy Carter, Barbra Streisand and a murderer do not belong on the same list.

I also thought his casual use of slurs was kind of offensive, as if he relished being able to say them on-air, as well as his whole fantasy example of a Fox News channel-- I mean, if your example is all about offensiveness that doesn't occur in real life, don't you destroy your whole point about how we've got no bounds on offensiveness?