1 Corinthians 14:33-36 (New International Version)
That passage gives Paul an undeserved bad rap, to some extent. The church at Corinth was having big problems with order in general, in both their men and women, and there was a problem with disordered use of glossiola. That verse couldn't have meant "A woman can't speak in the church" because back in chapter 11, he's talking about women needing to have their heads covered when prophesying. They can't prophesy and be silent at the same time.
Sorry. I find it just as frustrating when non-misogynists pull the same passages out of context that misogynists do.
I find it just as frustrating when non-misogynists pull the same passages out of context that misogynists do.
Fair enough. I'm not saying this makes Paul a big ol woman hating meany-head (although I am inclined to think he was not lacking in issues). I'm saying this is why my sister thinks there shouldn't be female ministers in her church. And, back when I was a practicing Christian, I would have disagreed with her. Still, I no longer have a dog in that fight, as Molly Ivins would say.
I horrified a religious friend by saying "While we're in Greece, I've got to visit Corinth, where everything that's wrong with Christianity started!"
I've only heard "Have a blessed day" in DC, and only at work. And only on government jobs. And there, esp. at the State Dept, I hear it constantly. It bugs me a little because of the church/state separation thing, but it's far preferable to the State employees who won't look at me, talk to me, or even attempt to work with me, because I'm white.
It bugs me a little because of the church/state separation thing, but it's far preferable to the State employees who won't look at me, talk to me, or even attempt to work with me, because I'm white.
argh! so stupid. And it does seem that people of color tend to wear their religion on their sleeve a little more. I mean, the only white person who's ever said God bless you was either after a sneeze or in/around a church.
I'm saying this is why my sister thinks there shouldn't be female ministers in her church. And, back when I was a practicing Christian, I would have disagreed with her.
Gotcha. I'd forgotten the larger context of your sister.
I horrified a religious friend by saying "While we're in Greece, I've got to visit Corinth, where everything that's wrong with Christianity started!"
Hee!
That verse couldn't have meant "A woman can't speak in the church" because back in chapter 11, he's talking about women needing to have their heads covered when prophesying.
I often wonder why Biblical literalists aren't surprised that the book is so confusing and contradictory. I mean, would a supreme being really have such a limited grasp of rhetoric? If the Bible was written by God, then we can all be grateful that God never took a job writing technical manuals or instructions for programing VCRs.
If the Bible was written by God, then we can all be grateful that God never took a job writing technical manuals or instructions for programing VCRs.
On the other hand, it would explain why VCR programming instrutions all seem to have been written in Greek.
If the Bible was written by God
I thought the gospels were written by their namesakes. No?
I thought the gospels were written by their namesakes. No?
They are just conduits of God's word, in the literalist tradition. Anyway, I think it would be hard to find a legitimate scholar who still believes they were written by their namesakes.
I thought the gospels were written by their namesakes. No?
Depends on who you talk to. Lots of debate on authorship.
