My problem is that I've met more than enough insane believers of all stripes, I can't help but think that their type is as least as common, if not moreso, than the non-craxy types.

Nah, they're just louder. How can you tell if everyone in the checkout line but you is a devout and respectful believer in their faith? It's the people who try and change your lives with their religion that get noticed.

Fair point (as was discussed earlier). Though Teh Craxy still seems as common as rocks.

I tend to agree with ita that they're louder. I know the craxy atheists I've met are louder than the normal ones. I also think the crazies tend to get held up as the example, by people who are opposed to not only them, to but to the people who hold the larger world view of which they're a small part.

I have run across fewer craxy agnostics, or at least people identifying as agnostic, while getting their craxy on, than I have craxees of any other group. But that's always true.

People who don't have fire, don't burn. People who don't care about politics don't talk much about politics. People who don't care about baseball don't talk much about baseball. People who didn't watch Buffy don't talk about Buffy (or argue, or 'ship characters, or get in shipper wars, or take ads out in newspapers, or buy the creators goats).

I have run across fewer craxy agnostics,

Yeah, it's harder to get your freak on about "well, I'm not really sure either way..."

I have run across fewer craxy agnostics

I now have a burning desire to stand on the streetcorner screaming "ACCEPT AMBIGUITY INTO YOUR POSSIBLY EXISTANT SOUL!!!!"

I now have a burning desire to stand on the streetcorner screaming "ACCEPT AMBIGUITY INTO YOUR POSSIBLY EXISTANT SOUL!!!!"

I dare you to.

I double-dog dare you.

(And what, exactly, does double-dog dare mean?)

I now have a burning desire to stand on the streetcorner screaming "ACCEPT AMBIGUITY INTO YOUR POSSIBLY EXISTANT SOUL!!!!"

I think they should film that and show it every Christmas.

Or maybe Arbor Day.

Jilli some etymology for double-dog dare.

Oh!Oh! Where's Steph? And JZ?

At the Pride parade in Chicago this year, there was one of those protest groups with the big signs about going to hell, and a loudspeaker, and a guy preaching, yadda yadda. I was across the street taking shelter in a shady doorway while the preacher man ranted on. At one point he gets on to the subject of Sodom and Gomorrah, and booms for a while about hellfire, etc., and concludes with "And do you know, WHAT WAS THE SIN OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH?"

And I thought of you guys and our conversations here, and so wished I was close enough to answer.

But then, brief pause, and then, over the loudspeaker "Well, you're not being very hospitable, ARE YOU?!?"

I about died laughing.

Ahahahahaha!!!! That's awesome!

Huh, so here's this big ceremony in a big giant ball room and someone thinks that the presentation described was appropriate? wow. that's just appalling.

Did you see the whole thing? What was reaction in the room like? Did it seem that the majority of the people were upset?

I saw the whole thing. I was at a table of six (this is the theater in the Reno Hilton,which is broken up into tables). Everybody at my table was appalled; it was harder to judge the rest of the room.

However, one of the presenters looked down at her script, said "And a lot of bad things happened that year, but I'm not going to worry you with that", and went on with the award. She got a round of applause.

Allyson, is Maya doing Suz Brockmann's next thingy?

Otherwise we'd all be bathing in ice cream and James Marsters would be worn down to a nubbin.

How I needed this laugh today. Isn't Marsters nearly nubbin-sized already?

I now have a burning desire to stand on the streetcorner screaming "ACCEPT AMBIGUITY INTO YOUR POSSIBLY EXISTANT SOUL!!!!"

I triple dog dare you. And can I come, too?

You get some idea when I tell you that (A) the video montage included scenes of Tienanmen Square set to "Don't worry, be happy" and (B) up until Friday night, the video montage included scenes from both September 11th and the Challenger explosion.

Wow. I tasted bile there.

Religion is the world's oldest fandom. Can't blame them for trying to share the love.

This is a nice way of looking at it.