This here's a recipe for unpleasantness.

Mal ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Vortex - Aug 02, 2005 11:55:58 am PDT #5103 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Jilli, how about looking them in the eye and saying "and I'll hope (or pray, if you do that sort of thing) that you stop judging people based on appearance"


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 11:57:47 am PDT #5104 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

then what will you use to kill and skin the kangaroos for your dinner?

You use a big knife for Roo killing, not some wimpy dagger.


Nutty - Aug 02, 2005 11:58:31 am PDT #5105 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

What's that got to be like, praying for a total stranger, who has no idea you're praying? I would have a hard time taking such a duty seriously, which, you know, par for the course of me. But it's got to be easier to pray for somebody you actually know and care about, right?

Who pulls for the Milwaukee Brewers except people from the upper midwest?


Sean K - Aug 02, 2005 11:59:11 am PDT #5106 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

What is the proper response when a complete stranger comes up to you and says, in a very earnest and friendly tone, "I'm going to pray for you."

"Okay. I'll eat a block of cheese, that you may come to know the light of our One True God, Lord Snarky. Unless.... Are you lactose intolerant? In which case, DIE, SINNER! DIE! DIE!"


Wolfram - Aug 02, 2005 12:00:14 pm PDT #5107 of 10002
Visilurking

For the hopelessly gentile among us, what's a Succoth?

Succoth (or Sukkot) is the Jewish holiday that immediately follows Yom Kippur. Jews traditionally sit in a Sukkah which is a type of ceremonial hut to eat (and some also sleep in it) for seven days. [link]


Nutty - Aug 02, 2005 12:02:53 pm PDT #5108 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

P.S. A Succoth is a treehouse made of fir branches. It is a Jewish holiday in the fall, and involves Essrogs somehow. (I don't remember how, I just always like that word.) There are fruits involved, too. It is sort of like an outside Thanksgiving, only earlier so as to avoid snow. Also, no turkey or football.

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edit: trust me to be x-posted. Alas, it turns out that my spelling is off, and they are etrogs, and those ARE the fruits.


Sean K - Aug 02, 2005 12:03:18 pm PDT #5109 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Oh, dear.

An Air France flight from Paris to Toronto has skidded off the runway during landing and burst into flames. Sounds pretty dire.


Rick - Aug 02, 2005 12:05:01 pm PDT #5110 of 10002

What were the prayers? Who were they offered to? Who were they offered by?

Studies differ, but a typical study would recruit Christian volunteers who are randomly assigned to pray for people undergoing a risky medical treatment.

If this seems too artificial, there are naturalistic studies as well. The first was done by Francis Galton over a hundred years ago. He showed that Kings did not live longer than their siblings, even though millions of people prayed for their health every day.

I'm not so much atheist, not so much agnostic -- I mostly don't care about the existence of a deity. However I can't but feel that efforts to prove or disprove the existence of most gods are so incredibly flawed that I can't believe anyone spends time on them. What sorts of controls can you even use?

The question of the existence of God or gods is not accessible to science. The question of whether prayer affects the outcome of football games, on the other hand, can be answered.


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 12:06:41 pm PDT #5111 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The question of whether prayer affects the outcome of football games, on the other hand, can be answered.

Prayer is a very big and vague word, but I haven't read the studies. If you say they cover all prayer, I have no evidence to offer that they do not.

It just seems unlikely.


Nutty - Aug 02, 2005 12:07:13 pm PDT #5112 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The question of whether prayer affects the outcome of football games, on the other hand, can be answered.

There is a Red Sox joke in here somewhere, I know there is.