Two by two, hands of blue. Two by two, hands of blue.

River ,'Ariel'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 8:48:54 am PDT #4926 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

A serious question: how do people like this function in a multicultural society?

I've know people who take it all literally and do just fine. However, it isn't so much that it's a deep conviction in literalism, as a belief that it is shortcoming of faith to show doubt. Sort of, "Okay, the dinosuars are tough to explain, but if I doubt the story of Genesis where do I stop doubting?" I don't think the literalists are a big percentage though.


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2005 8:49:18 am PDT #4927 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

They work and pray for the world to be Christianized.

And for America to be returned to our "Christian heritage."


Nutty - Aug 02, 2005 8:49:44 am PDT #4928 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

They don't make friends with Unitarians, Nutty. Though they might pray for their soul if they were feeling charitable.

Well, I ask because I had a student some years ago, who was the nicest woman ever, and a fundamentalist, literal-Bible Christian, and she pretty much befriended me. And while we never discussed the topic Nutty Is A Stone Cold Atheist, it had to be obvious from my everyday speech that I was not religious (especially not in her manner). And she befriended me right off. I guess I just wonder whether she thought about the fact that we were such different people, and whether that thought led to the idea that there is no such thing as the One True Way That Is The Same For All People.

Because those thoughts lead naturally from one to the other, in my head, but that doesn't mean they do so in everybody's head. Hence the "mental gymnastics".


askye - Aug 02, 2005 8:50:47 am PDT #4929 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

Wow, that's real? I am again reminded that I don't live in America.

I'm not sure why the kids were standing around the flag pole holding hands and praying but they were. Some kids were making fun of them, and it was really odd to see. All of them standing around the flag pole like it was some kind of religous artifact.


Cashmere - Aug 02, 2005 8:51:36 am PDT #4930 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

I was taught that this was a possibility, but they pretty much left the issue of dinosaur fossils open

How can they do that? I mean, you're just left to draw your own conclusions? Or how to they explain the bible completely leaving them out? Mayhap they haven't found some scrolls in Qumran?

Listening to other opinions is one thing -- being taught them is another. I'm walking out of any class that requires me to be taught as if I'm a religion that I'm not.

Thing is, it was in the course description, so it's not like she wasn't warned before walking into the class. I had a similar situation in a life drawing class where a woman just couldn't make herself look at the nude models. She actually asked the instructor if he could put the models in swimsuits. I give him tons of credit for not laughing at her outright.

She was an art major and the class was required credit. I still wonder if she got out of taking it or switched majors.


Jesse - Aug 02, 2005 8:52:21 am PDT #4931 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

A lot of people really don't live in a multi-cultural society. Where I grew up, we had one of a bunch of different things -- I was Baptist, Pam was Greek Orthodox, Patrick was Jehovah's Witness, Amrik was Seikh. Everyone else was Catholic.


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 8:52:33 am PDT #4932 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

And for America to be returned to our "Christian heritage."

Yeah, let's return to the religious convictions of our great founders like Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Paine.


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 8:53:27 am PDT #4933 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it was in the course description, so it's not like she wasn't warned before walking into the class

Eh -- we get people who sign up for krav and don't like hitting things.

Then they leave.

I do wonder, but I don't bother judging too hard.


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2005 8:53:45 am PDT #4934 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How can they do that? I mean, you're just left to draw your own conclusions?

We were taught that there are some things that we don't understand - that God works in mysterious ways and what-not.


Connie Neil - Aug 02, 2005 8:53:56 am PDT #4935 of 10002
brillig

All of them standing around the flag pole like it was some kind of religous artifact.

It's a tenet of the Mormon faith that the Constitution was divinely inspired.

Also, members are encouraged to make friends with non-members in an effort to bring them into the church. It's called fellowshipping, and the non-believers are supposed to be so inspired by the godly and enriching lives of their new friends that they'll ask how to be godly and enriched themselves. This is, of course, made easier if the member's family actually is godly and enriched, which a lot of times is not the case.