Well, personally, I kind of want to slay the dragon.

Angel ,'Not Fade Away'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 02, 2005 8:05:48 am PDT #4865 of 10002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I don't know about Liz Claiborn, but FYI, Estee Lauder was an actual person, now deceased.


Jesse - Aug 02, 2005 8:06:09 am PDT #4866 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yes, Liz Claiborne is a real person, but she is no longer associated with the company. Here's the Snopes thing about the similar P&G story with a mention of LC: [link]


Connie Neil - Aug 02, 2005 8:09:14 am PDT #4867 of 10002
brillig

So, you're saying, now is the time to investigate my opportunities in the growing field of confidence swindling??

Come to Utah for your training, we lead the country in personal fraud. We've made great strides, though, mortgage fraud, going from first in the rankings to sixth.


Rick - Aug 02, 2005 8:09:15 am PDT #4868 of 10002

It's easy to convince people there are no biological precursors to eyes (even though there ARE)-- they seem to be willing to believe that if they don't know about it it must not exist.

Yes, in recent years there have been elegant studies in developmental genetics showing how simple mechanisms can assemble into something like an eye, or how a slight change in the protein produced by a gene can change scales into feathers. The core of "Intelligent Design" is the idea of irreducible complexity, but no such thing has been found in biology. Proponents of the ID are either ignorant or they are liars or they are both.

Made my chiro appointment for today, and cancelled the ortho. I need my spine cracked something awful. I don't know what's happening to my skeleton, but my joints are very cranky recently.

ita illustrates the other big problem with Intelligent Design: all known species are filled with unintelligent design that betrays their inefficient evolutionary history. It is obvious that humans, for instance, were not designed to walk upright, although some last-minute biological jury-rigging allows us to do so. If species were created by an intelligent designer, it must have been an intelligent designer on crack.


Gudanov - Aug 02, 2005 8:11:29 am PDT #4869 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Also, why would an Intelligent Design just muck around with single cell organisms for billions of years?


-t - Aug 02, 2005 8:11:30 am PDT #4870 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Liz probably just made a pledge during a Devil Worship Telethon and it's all gotten blown out of proportion.

I think there's some evidence that humans more readily believe anecdotal evidence than statistical. Say what you like about seatbelts saving lives, but my uncle's friend's cousin who was thrown clear of the car that burst into flames because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt is more convincing.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 02, 2005 8:12:30 am PDT #4871 of 10002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 8:13:22 am PDT #4872 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

why would an Intelligent Design just muck around with single cell organisms for billions of years?

Quest for perfection.

ita illustrates the other big problem with Intelligent Design

You have no idea how often I hear this.


Tom Scola - Aug 02, 2005 8:13:47 am PDT #4873 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

in recent years there have been elegant studies in developmental genetics showing how simple mechanisms can assemble into something like an eye, or how a slight change in the protein produced by a gene can change scales into feathers. The core of "Intelligent Design" is the idea of irreducible complexity, but no such thing has been found in biology.

The whole irony of ID is that by pointing out holes in the theory of evolution, it's helping to fill in those holes, and increase our understanding of how evolution works.


tommyrot - Aug 02, 2005 8:14:10 am PDT #4874 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Say what you like about seatbelts saving lives, but my uncle's friend's cousin who was thrown clear of the car that burst into flames because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt is more convincing.

I think that most people just don't like seatbelts, and thus are willing to belive something that confirms their dislike. Maybe seatbelts give some people a "trapped" feeling, so stories about being trapped by a seatbelt in a burning or sinking car tend to resonate.