Spike: Lots of fuss over one girl. Other things to do around here--important things. Angel: You know that whoosh thing you do when you're suddenly not there anymore? I love that.

'Unleashed'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Jul 27, 2005 7:15:05 am PDT #3199 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I also think capital gains tax is wrong.

Why? Why should earned income be taxed more heavily or more consistently than other income?

If I've been paying taxes on my money all my life, and managed to invest what I could wisely, well goody for me. That stuff is mine. The money that bought it has already been taxed and I'm a damned broken record.

And you are not being taxed on it again. The recipients are being taxed on what is essentially new income to them. My employers were taxed on their income before they passed it along to me. I pay taxes on it. And if I had a housekeeper or nanny or other employee, they would be taxed on what I passed along to them.

There are provisions, such as the $1.5 mil threshold (which I agree should be a lot higher) that pay respect to the fact that passing your assets along to your kids is such a tradition, and so ingrained, and I don't have a problem with that. Same with the $250k/$500k exemption on gains from sale of your house. But at the end of the day, it's all income, and I think it should be taxed as such.


flea - Jul 27, 2005 7:18:09 am PDT #3200 of 10002
information libertarian

The real estate bubble that makes for $500K suburban homes at the moment is very receent indeed (curse it). The estate tax is clearly designed to hit the really wealthy; it's just that inflation has gotten ahead of the current limits.

(I believe my grandparents' estate invokes the estate tax, but if so, I am certain they would have liked it that way, because they were strong supporters of big government.)


Cashmere - Jul 27, 2005 7:18:17 am PDT #3201 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

My descendants are at least three generations away from worrying about inheritance.

If every single relative I have died tomorrow, I'd get bupkis. And I don't like the idea of waiting for people to die to get anything. It's kind of creepy.


bon bon - Jul 27, 2005 7:19:50 am PDT #3202 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

And this is why I don't understand why repealing the "death tax" has somehow become such an issue.

Because the rhetoric around the death tax will soon make it harder to create an inter vivos trust without taxing it.

It's double dipping. ALL of the money will be taxed, once, either by income tax on the original investment or cap gains on the profit. An estate with unrealized gains can't be lived on (maybe in, if it's a house)-- no one is living large off of an estate with unrealized gains.

It's another bite at the apple, the same way that corporate tax simply places an extra tax on everything you consume, your wages or dividends.


Pix - Jul 27, 2005 7:20:06 am PDT #3203 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

inheritance has always been a default assumption of western culture, hasn't it?

Heh. At the moment, I'm looking at inheriting a whole lotta debt and not much else.

ETA: That was just a sidenote to the discussion. Don't have time right now to comment on the actual estate tax dilemma.


tommyrot - Jul 27, 2005 7:20:18 am PDT #3204 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

OK, I'm not an expert on the inheritance tax. So what really bugs me is that this is yet another tax cut that will only help the very wealthy (how many major tax cuts have there been in the last 5 years that have gone mostly to the wealthy? Four? Five? I've lost count). Also, I'm scared as to what's gonna happen with the huge budget deficits we're having and will continue to have for a long time, and repealing the estate tax will make things worse.


Jesse - Jul 27, 2005 7:20:58 am PDT #3205 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So, wait, I'm sorry -- unrealized gains are taxed in the inheritance tax? That is, I'd get taxed on the full current value of my parents' investments?


Cashmere - Jul 27, 2005 7:21:51 am PDT #3206 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Also, I'm scared as to what's gonna happen with the huge budget deficits we're having and will continue to have for a long time, and repealing the estate tax will make things worse.

But if allow the rich people to keep their money, it will magically trickle down. Or so I've been told.


§ ita § - Jul 27, 2005 7:22:25 am PDT #3207 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm looking at inheriting a whole lotta debt

That part's totally not fair¹. What steps can one take (other than eliminating it) to prevent your descendants from being in that position?

¹: Okay, it's totally fair. It's just not nice.


Pix - Jul 27, 2005 7:25:05 am PDT #3208 of 10002
The status is NOT quo.

It's the trap of the middle and working classes, I think. Owning property offsets it, but when one's parents (like mine) got divorced in their fifties and had to get brand new 30 year mortgages...well...