I am a large, semi-muscular man. I can take it. Don't hide behind Mal 'cause you know he'll shoot it down for you. Tell me.

Wash ,'War Stories'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Jul 21, 2005 7:28:54 am PDT #1793 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I was reading something yesterday about a minimum wage study that would be good, if I could remember where it was. Let me see what I can find. Or that crappy bisexuality study that the Times wrote about a couple of weeks ago, but the subject matter might be dicey for your needs.


Strega - Jul 21, 2005 7:29:32 am PDT #1794 of 10002

Shere Hite's "Women and Love" is often used to illustrate sampling problems (particularly with response rates). There's a pretty good overview here.


Fred Pete - Jul 21, 2005 7:40:12 am PDT #1795 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

Emily, this is also historical/presidential election related, but here goes.

During the early 20th century, the Literary Digest regularly conducted a widely known and respected presidential poll based heavily on telephone books and auto registration. In 1936, this poll predicted that Republican Alf Landon would soundly defeat Democratic incumbent Franklin Roosevelt.

Roosevelt won in a landslide. In fact, Landon won only 2 states and 8 electoral votes. The problem? By emphasizing persons with phones and cars, the sample was badly skewed toward persons with higher incomes (i.e., more likely to vote Republican).

The Literary Digest went under not long after, and it's widely believed that the poll was responsible.

A little more on the subject


Emily - Jul 21, 2005 7:42:32 am PDT #1796 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

tommyrot, that would be good as another example of questions affecting conclusions -- I'll look for it. I'm also looking for examples of bad statistical methods -- surveys where they ask only union members in Massachusetts about their politics and then generalize to the United States, for example.


Emily - Jul 21, 2005 7:43:22 am PDT #1797 of 10002
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Strega, Fred Pete, those are both exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. Thank you!


brenda m - Jul 21, 2005 7:44:17 am PDT #1798 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Some of Kinsey's work had problems there - asking questions about sexual preferences, fidelity, etc., in the presence of spouse and/or kids, for example.


tommyrot - Jul 21, 2005 7:46:23 am PDT #1799 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh! Oh! Oh!

There was that very crappy article in Time (or maybe Newsweek) about how 80% (or somesuch) of the internet was devoted to porn. It had the scary cover of the child recoiling in horror from a computer screen.

But where they got that percentage was from BBSs. Then they generalized BBSs to the internet. Very stupid. They also refused to submit their study for peer review, so it looks like objectivity was the last thing they were after.

You should be able to google and find lots of stuff, as it was quite controversial amongst online folks.


Connie Neil - Jul 21, 2005 7:48:48 am PDT #1800 of 10002
brillig

When I was in college, the radio station I worked with did a survey to see who was listening (not many, it turned out). What was interesting was the degree of falsification of surveys that occurred because the cold calling was boring and frustrating when dealing with a small rural town who didn't care what the little college radio station was doing.

I admit it, I was one of the ones falsifying, but my fake answers were that most people didn't listen to us or never heard of us, a few "expected" people did listen (high schoolers and a couple of college students), plus at least one outside-the-curve person, a granny who dug rock n roll. The other person--who was caught cheating--had all her fake answers the same, making it obvious she'd just decided to fill out all the sheets and be done with it. I at least put some creativity into it. I never admitted the cheating, and I wonder if anyone else did the same.

Don't know if that's relevant, but I enjoy the story.


tommyrot - Jul 21, 2005 7:50:29 am PDT #1801 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So the lesson is that not just anyone can make up data well - IOW it's harder that it looks.


Gudanov - Jul 21, 2005 7:52:20 am PDT #1802 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

The SMART cars have been cleared for U.S. import.

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Don't know about the wisdom of buying them as Mercedes isn't the behind the effort.