Cindy, I don't think parental notification would be an issue between you and your daughter. In any event, you're not the reason teenage girls might need to get an abortion without talking to their parents.

A co-worker is jonesing for a Jamiacan Beef patty. As HR person, I feel I should do what I can to help the poor dude. Anyone know where one can get good restaurant or frozen ones in LA?

Robin, we've had yum beef patties from these two places so far, and have both eaten them on premises and taken them home frozen.

Ginja Lions, Studio City [link]

Kingston Cafe, Pasadena [link]

If a minor child is pregnant by a step-father, the law needs to be stepping in to address the molestation and (likely other abuse) in that home.

I can understand that argument.

I keep wanting to get all fuzzy on this. If a 17-year-old high school graduate is pregnant by her same-age boyfriend, I think her right to privacy outweighs the right of her parents to know. But if some 30-year-old teacher has gotten a 12-year-old student pregnant, I would say the opposite.

Too bad we can't have sliding-scale parental consent laws.

Since I'm not a parent, I really ought not weigh in on the parental notification law. But.

I definitely understand Cindy's viewpoint, that knowing her daughter had an abortion would be (in the simplest terms) another piece of knowledge that would help her to be a good parent to her child.

But there are a lot of big and scary things that teenagers go through that they keep secret from their parents, and no law exists that can make them be honest when they damn well don't want to. If your daughter were raped and she didn't go to the hospital or police, and she didn't tell you, there is no way you could know. And that's certainly on a par with having an abortion, emotionally.

Also, I think the parental notification law furthers the notion that children are chattel, who have no agency of their own, no control over what goes on in their lives. It says, basically, "Hey girls -- your bodies aren't your own. You do NOT get to decide what happens to your bodies."

And that disturbs me.

Where I'm coming down is, IF it's a dichotomy between protecting the rights of the girl raped by her step-father and protecting the rights of the loving mother? I pick the girl.

But if some 30-year-old teacher has gotten a 12-year-old student pregnant, I would say the opposite.

In this case, it's statutory rape and covered under those laws.

But there are a lot of big and scary things that teenagers go through that they keep secret from their parents,

Like, nearly everything, IME.

In an ideal world, parental rights would be uppermost, but we don't live in that world. I see it as akin to child abuse reporting laws--the possiblity of harm is so great in the immediate moment that parental rights come second until the child is safe. In an ideal world, where all parents had their childrens' best interests at heart, a kid showing up at school with a bruised arm would not cause authorities to show up at a family's home and grill the parents, but we don't live in that world--and good parents are the ones who suffer a loss of rights.

I'm not sure a "right to parent" is at issue here-- it seems to be a "right to stop your child's abortion."

Where I'm coming down is, IF it's a dichotomy between protecting the rights of the girl raped by her step-father and protecting the rights of the loving mother? I pick the girl.

Exactly. There's no contest in my mind.