How's it sit? Pretty cunning, don'tchya think?

Jayne ,'The Message'


Natter 37: Oddly Enough, We've Had This Conversation Before.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


shrift - Jul 19, 2005 11:46:53 am PDT #1254 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Do you have them yet?

...no. I have a spontaneously rebooting fileserver instead, and now I am going to have an aneurysm. So I'd better hit the vending machine for chocolate, stat.

We have much better restaurants, so decide if you want Mexican or Vietnamese or Indian or Sicilian or Japanese or South American.

Now I'm hungry for all of the above, but very thankful Dana did not take me to Buca di Beppo.


askye - Jul 19, 2005 11:47:54 am PDT #1255 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

I use eggs in my Spinach Lasgana, I got the recipe from Better Homes and Garden so it's not really authentic.


Allyson - Jul 19, 2005 11:52:21 am PDT #1256 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yes -- all this "oh-so-candid" confessional writing gets up my nose.

i've been stewing about this. It's what my book is, pretty much. And I'm an essayist. Okay. I'm a lousy secretary, but I want to be an essayist, like Sedaris and Vowell.

I think I have an ethical line, I ask permission before sending out a story that includes personal details of someone else.

But my work always seems to amount to naval gazing: This is what I did, what I saw, and how I feel about it. It's candid and confessional in nature.

I'm not sure that I have any sort of defense other than that I'm feeling all wounded about it, perhaps immaturely so.


brenda m - Jul 19, 2005 11:53:35 am PDT #1257 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I know more Italian Americans (including immigrants) than any other ethnic group, I think. I was the one of the few kids that wasn't at least half Italian.

My dad lived in Italy for a number of years and he used to threaten us with this all the time.


Anne W. - Jul 19, 2005 11:54:11 am PDT #1258 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

But my work always seems to amount to naval gazing: This is what I did, what I saw, and how I feel about it. It's candid and confessional in nature.

But you're writing about something that a lot of people don't know about. Most of the navel gazers people are complaining about are yakking on and on about the obvious.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 19, 2005 11:54:37 am PDT #1259 of 10002
What is even happening?

What region, brenda, do you know?


askye - Jul 19, 2005 11:56:53 am PDT #1260 of 10002
Thrive to spite them

I have a question for people with Caller ID.

When you see an unfamiliat number on ID (and no message was left) OR someone calls and immediately hangs up, what do you do?

Do you call the number back to see who called? Or ignore it? Or what?

Today and yesterday I had a couple people call and want to know who called or why the person hung up and didn't seem very pleased to be told that it was probably a wrong number (one of the lines that rings up here is a general line that almost anyone can use).

I don't understand why people call unfamiliar numbers and then get upset to find out it's a wrong number.


sarameg - Jul 19, 2005 11:58:11 am PDT #1261 of 10002

brenda m - Jul 19, 2005 11:58:29 am PDT #1262 of 10002
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Naples, Cindy.


§ ita § - Jul 19, 2005 11:59:26 am PDT #1263 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Allyson, if you believe that your writing is like Olen's or Ayelet Waldman's, there's not much I can do to comfort you. However, nothing of yours I've read is similar.

It's not like I'm bitching about everything autobiographical.