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amych - Sep 26, 2005 1:28:44 pm PDT #4373 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

So what's the grammar rule-of-thumb to help you differentiate between laying and lying?

There's really no good mnemonic (at least, not that I've ever found). Lay always refers to someone or something else -- you lay a book down on the table, or you lay someone, or you get laid (by someone). If you're doing it on your own -- lying down, lying around -- it's lie. It's almost always lie.

(And "now I lay me down to sleep", on which I blame a lot of this mess, is correct only because it's "lay me" -- if it weren't for that pronoun in there, it would be "now I lie down..." Stupid fucking poetic structures.)


Gris - Sep 26, 2005 1:29:31 pm PDT #4374 of 10001
Hey. New board.

But... "Now I lay me down" sound so much prettier.

I need to lie down.


Morgana - Sep 26, 2005 1:31:08 pm PDT #4375 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Okay, thanks.... I'll try to pound that into my brain. You'd think after an English degree and 12 years as a technical writer I'd have that down, but I have a mental block. I have to look it up every time.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 26, 2005 1:31:46 pm PDT #4376 of 10001
What is even happening?

When my mother was little, she thought, "Now I lay me" was a Latin word.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 26, 2005 1:32:50 pm PDT #4377 of 10001
What is even happening?

Okay, thanks.... I'll try to pound that into my brain. You'd think after an English degree and 12 years as a technical writer I'd have that down, but I have a mental block. I have to look it up every time.

Go sex. Choose sex. I mean as your memory device. You lay someone (or something, and ewww). You lie (about it).


Gris - Sep 26, 2005 1:35:21 pm PDT #4378 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Getting laid usually involves lying down. Lying afterwards is optional. I was hoping to continue this by throwing in "lye" but i really couldn't come up with anything that didn't give me a truly painful mental image.


amych - Sep 26, 2005 1:35:35 pm PDT #4379 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I have a mental block

Seriously? I mostly remember the "it's almost always lie" part -- lay is only used in a very specialized sense. It's analogous to sit vs. set -- I sit all day, but I only set the table for company.


Betsy HP - Sep 26, 2005 1:45:40 pm PDT #4380 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

"Lay" takes an object. When you're getting laid, the object is you.


Betsy HP - Sep 26, 2005 1:47:15 pm PDT #4381 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

You know, that would be a great geek proposal.

"You are the object of all my verbs."


Morgana - Sep 26, 2005 1:47:20 pm PDT #4382 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Seriously?

Well, that's kind of the nasty thing about mental blocks, isn't it? If it was logical, I'd be able to get rid of it and I wouldn't have this problem.

Really, usually grammar isn't a problem for me. Just a few glaring roadblocks.

I like the "go sex. Choose sex." idea, though. That might work as my memory device.