I grew to hate the apocalypse.

I get that. The story line got annoying when it went nowhere. I thought the bit with the disfigured guy with the cane was promising, but I gather it didn't get much elaborated this season; more's the pity.

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I thought we were calling him J. Weewee now?

I'm still waiting for someone else to add "j weewee" as a Live Journal interest.

I think he just changed it to Wee, to cut Diddy off at the syllable.

He'll always be j weewee to me.

But for me Illyria was like having the pointlessness of Fred plus a lot of bad sci-fi "what is this thing you call 'love'?" cliches. So it wasn't much of an improvement.

Oh, yeah. I had my Fred moments--moments where I'd start to think I was finally seeing what so many people saw in her, but those moments were always pretty fleeting. One of my favorite Fred moments was her death. I thought it was manipulative, but it worked for me just the same. I think part of my problem accepting the Fred character was that there seemed to be too much of her, too soon. I had the same reaction to Tara in season 4 (although I think Tara later earned it--particularly in s6, but even in s5). The role seemed more prominent--that is, I thought she had too much screen time, for too few reasons (that I could see).

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Contrary to what seems to be the entire thread, I am excited for a Spike movie, and don't care when it's set. There didn't seem to be any way out of most end-season situations on either show, but there always was. And I don't care if characters come back from the dead, either.

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I grew to hate the apocalypse. John was too shrill, and the politician too slickly untouchable.

I did too. especially when they dropped it for almost an entire season and then just randomly picked it up again. Sean Patrick Flanary is definitely convincing in his smarmy politician role. though there are times when watching him that i feel like i'm watching Christian Kane.

I thought the bit with the disfigured guy with the cane was promising, but I gather it didn't get much elaborated this season; more's the pity.

at the beginning of the season, we had more with this guy. Johnny, in his infinite wisdom, decided he wanted to figure it all out for himself and threw the cane into the river.

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Contrary to what seems to be the entire thread, I am excited for a Spike movie, and don't care when it's set.

Well, you're shallow that way. *g*

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"What if you foretold an apocalypse, and nobody cared?..."

And thus, the Johnny/Stillson arc, in a nutshell.

I wasn't necessarily comparing DZ w/ "The 4400" when I asked upthread if anyone else had seen it. I was just being curious. (You know, "Same Bat Night, Same Bat Channel," and all that.) But, yeah, I've seen DZ on-and-off over the past four seasons; and while I will admit that I find the show a smidge more compelling than "4400" (if only b/c, the subject matter itself fascinates me), I'll agree that the "apocalypse thing" has been going nowhere for the longest time. And I understand, too, that that was the same problem w/ Michael Piller's previous shows, "Star Trek: TNG" and "ST: DS9" (I'm only going on what I've heard or read, since I don't follow that universe): that the standalones were better than the mythology-centered stuff, and that the writers had a hard time plotting story arcs which didn't meander or lose momentum.

ETA: I mean, some people (Whedon, Minear) are good w/ the arc, and some (Carter, possibly Piller) aren't. You know?

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Cindy, I'll watch the new Spike movie with you. Over and over and over, again. He's still my favorite character (next to Buffy.)

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Contrary to what seems to be the entire thread, I am excited for a Spike movie, and don't care when it's set.

As per usual, Cindy stole my brain.

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I would much rather watch a movie with Faith in it. Don't get me wrong Spike had some intresting archs, but I am not sure where he can go now.

Unlike Buffy and Faith who were still as different as night and day at the end of the shows, Spike seems to have literally followed the same journey of Angel.I am not sure there is a post NFA story that will not seem like a redo of Angel somehow.I am intrested though in anything with Dru and the past. I have always enjoyed Spike most when he is working off the lead, weither it was annoying them or making them see the truths of their surroundings.

Does Illyria still have her time shifting abilities?

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I will watch the Spike movie with excitement. Which is odd, as I really don't care if it happens. I mean, if it does, cool. If not, eh. I'm good either way. If I watch it once and love it, maybe I'll watch it multiple times. It's a possibility. It all depends on what they do with it. Spike and the world he lives in are enough to catch my interest. I don't know whether or not they'll be able to keep it - but I do look forward to finding out. (But I won't be crushed if it remains a mystery.)

I would say I'm easy, but that's always a dangerous thing to say.

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I'm easy, but I am not cheap.

Well, you're shallow that way. *g*

You know, I don't even think I find him attractive any more. I hadn't thought about it in a while, and it seems funny that would have changed, but I think it has. I think Intervention was the height of it, for me. After that, it was down hill. I mostly just miss the 'verse. I think there are a lot more stories to tell in it. I think Buffy and Angel (the characters) probably need a rest more than any of the rest of them. I think making any of them the lead, even Spike, would show whatever character from a broader perspective. I'm thinking of Wesley's role as minor-nudge/major prig on BtVS, and how he grew into a completely compelling, integral character on A:ts, maybe, when I say that.

Cindy, I'll watch the new Spike movie with you. Over and over and over, again.

Hee.

He's still my favorite character (next to Buffy.)

Yeah, Buffy's certainly my favorite character. After Buffy herself, my favorite character fixations are cyclical. I still wish we'd get a Ripper/Watcher series. I dream of a series based on Oz trying to de-wolf, or control the wolf for good, but I can't seem to make it anything other than an Incredible Hulk rip-off, in my head. I'd still watch it though, even if it were an Incredible Hulk rip-off, because I love Seth Green, and his portrayal of Oz. He's so completely watchable.

Oh, you know, if it's a post NFA Spike story, I'd like to see Oz in it.

As per usual, Cindy stole my brain.

Spike was one of our major bonding moments. I remember giving you, abt, and genrefan updates on the shirtless Spike look-alike who was working a construction site in my town (gas station--I think). And you know, Miss Narrator was, at one time or another, not disinclined to look twice at him, either. *Cough*

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