I mostly just wanted to re-edit it. So I'm only kind of mean, maybe?

Tangent: I didn't know he did "Alien Nation," and I loved that show!

Word on the show-loving. I probably saw AN more consistently than I did Farscape, but I remember being struck that the latter had a certain similarity to the former in terms of theme music.

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I gathered that there was possibly a new Tim project in the offing, and thus dropped into the thread (although mostly I eschew it, on the basis of not having access to Wonderfalls et al, over in Cairo, and thus feeling pretty much like NonContribution girl in terms of discussions). Huh. That sentence was longer than I'd expected. Aaaanyway - I find myself tentatively positive about the prospect of a Spikecentric movie. I know the Spikophiles can be a trifle overpowering (and, okay, insane), but I still enjoy the character. Not a patch on my love of Wesley, mind, but Spike is a fascinating character, and James is a versatile chap, and who knows? It might be a good thing. ('Course, I'm still hoping, in a dim and dusty corner of my soul, for a Faith-on-a-motorbike spinoff. Ideally with a dash of Oz. Wouldn't that be grand?) Spike and Dru gadding about doing bloody murder and having adventures back in the day would be great fun, though. (Although for a movie, Juliette really would need to do something about the accent - a cinema audience outside the US would balk at the Dick Van Dyke thing.)

People have been dissing AYNOHYEB? Twats.

...To my abiding shame, I can't recall whether I've read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - it's been a while since I was hitting the Heinlein section of the bookshop. Is it one of the Lazarus Long books? The one about his mother? Or am I on crack?

toddles off to find out.

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Oh! While I remember - there's a life size reproduction of the Winged Victory of Samomthrace on the green verge on the Autostraad in Cairo, for some reason. It just popped up about six months ago. We drove past it twice every day en route to our school in the desert, and it was an ongoing source of puzzlement to me. After a while a shop appeared behind it with a facade that was very artsy, all collapsing doric columns, with a relief rendering of said statue incorporated into it. Still haven't a clue what it's all about. Well done you, though, Betsy - for the life of me I couldn't recall which Nike statue it was based on, and then when you mentioned it I was all "A-HA! That's what it's called!" And lo, Google confirmed it. So, in short - jolly good show. Have five house points.

...To my abiding shame, I can't recall whether I've read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - it's been a while since I was hitting the Heinlein section of the bookshop. Is it one of the Lazarus Long books?

No.

Or am I on crack?

Yup.

it's the one about the revolution on the Moon.

Ah. 'kay. Haven't read that one, then. Should I?

I like it. Allyson hates it with a hard and gem-like flame. You have to be able to get past the typical Heinlein woman.

I haven't seen it in a while... The main thing I remember is that I'd put the 1952 story's climax earlier -- because Angel does this terrible thing, and you don't really have time to think about it before he's killing the demon. It loses some impact for me as is.

Which may have been intentional, to be fair. One of the things that interests me about the show is how they seemed to be experimenting with how dark they could go without alienating everyone, and that was relatively early.

It won a Hugo award.

I liked AYNOHYEB, but I don't have a deep emotional attachment to it or anything. I don't see "trite" as a valid assessment, though. I mean, it was cool. Nice little throwback, and an interesting look at Angel's history. There are other Tim episodes I like more, like "Billy" and "Lullaby" and "Reunion" and "Out of Gas" and "Karma Chameleon" and that one Buffy ep.

Hey, why the fuck doesn't Tim have a picture up at IMDb? That's just wrong.

Oh, so they weren't using put in the headline the way I (sort of) thought they were. But, OK - WB wears 'Cult' cap - what does that mean? I'm picturing frogs in baseball caps - like I'm for the Yankees (I'm not), so JenP wears Yankees cap?

So I think they mean WB is wearing the 'Cult' cap in that, yeah, they're supporting it. By putting this O'Bannon thriller on the fast track. The Frog fast track, because saying the "WB fast track" would be redundant. Although isn't Frog inaccurate, now that they killed that mascot?

I like it. Allyson hates it with a hard and gem-like flame. You have to be able to get past the typical Heinlein woman.

I still respectfully disagree about this sort of characterization of Heinlein women. You have to not assume that any woman character is Heinlein's personification of all women everywhere.

I know those seem like fighting words, but I have my opinion, and I am often afraid to say it because saying "I don't think Heinlein's women are unbelievable" offends some. Unfortunately this leads to flaming swords of argument on the subject.

So I conclude with "to each his own." But then I like his writing style. He wasn't perfect, but he was ahead of the curve, historically.

Once you've had a cartoon frog dancing and singing "Dubba Dubba WB!" on people's television screens for years, it becomes pretty difficult to disassociate that from your network's corporate ID after the fact.