I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


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[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Tim Minear - Aug 18, 2005 10:07:01 pm PDT #2611 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

I really don't want to get into a political fight around here, but I'll say a couple of things about TMIAHM project. Even though I shouldn't since I'm working on it now and, well, madness that way lies. Also, I don't really like to spout politics in a forum like this 'cause it only ever ends in tears. And I think people like me, in my line that is, who tend to do that end up pissing off at least half of their audience, and hurting, sometimes deeply, people who matter. It strikes me as an uninvited abuse of power. If there is any power in having a name for something as trivial as screenwriting.

TypoBoy: Umm right, because the powers that own and run the billion dollar corporations in Hollywood are dedicated Marxists who want the workers to take over the means of production.

I never said that and I don't think it. But the first suggestion that was made to me was if I could make the bad guys an evil corporation. Also, I never get story notes from people who run billion dollar corporations.

Typoboy: Tim has said stuff like this before. I've never objected to his political conservatism - in fact I emphasized to him, speaking as someone coming from a very different political place than he does that I thought libertarian ideology is an important part of MIAHM. But I am irritated when a conservative complains about liberal oppression at this historical moment.

I'm not being oppressed. Help, I'm not being oppressed! And while it's true that the evil neocons are in power in Washington, not on my coast and certainly not in my biz. To be center right in Hollywood is to be in the minority. If you don't believe me, I hear there are fun and easy ways to dig up political contributions people have made.

And I'm still not oppressed.

And Gus, c'mon. "Moon" is at least a little about libertarian ideas, ain't it?


Tim Minear - Aug 18, 2005 10:25:11 pm PDT #2612 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

Wait! I will talk about politics! I'm reading Ron Chernow's "Alexander Hamilton." Hamilton was such a marvel. What a cracking great story. My agency tells me there's no market for American history in entertainment. So I guess it's back to my revolution on the Moon.


aurelia - Aug 18, 2005 11:55:51 pm PDT #2613 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I think I heard a review of that book. It sounds interesting.

My agency tells me there's no market for American history in entertainment.

That's too bad, 'cause I'll bet something interesting could be made of "Devil In The White City."


Topic!Cindy - Aug 19, 2005 2:39:00 am PDT #2614 of 10001
What is even happening?

Wait! I will talk about politics! I'm reading Ron Chernow's "Alexander Hamilton." Hamilton was such a marvel. What a cracking great story. My agency tells me there's no market for American history in entertainment.

Well darn it, that's what's wrong with America, then--that, and our failure to fully embrace the serial comma, but I probably shouldn't get that political, here.

Maybe you need to make a market, or approach PBS or one of the cable History channels. Wasn't Hamilton born out of wedlock, in the West Indies? He was a military man, a politician, an early abolitionist, a strong influence in our move to a more solid form of federal government. The supporting cast would include figures like Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, and Aaron Burr. There's even an affair and blackmail. Maybe it's time to resurrect the mini-series. Heck, the story would end with a fatal duel. How is that not great TV?

*cough* Sorry, my high school U.S. History teacher had a thing for Hamilton and Aaron Burr. They're all I can remember of his class, and as it was 20 years ago, the above is all I can remember about that. Shutting up, now.


DXMachina - Aug 19, 2005 2:42:56 am PDT #2615 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

There's even an affair and blackmail. Maybe it's time to resurrect the mini-series.

I can see it now. It can be a thirteen episode arc.

Aaron Buff

Although you'll probably have to sell it to a cable channel.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 19, 2005 2:47:32 am PDT #2616 of 10001
What is even happening?

Ooops. Almost every time I type the letters B and U followed by a double consonant, I'm typing Buffy.

I can see it now. It can be a thirteen episode arc.

There ya go.


Cashmere - Aug 19, 2005 2:56:30 am PDT #2617 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Wait! I will talk about politics! I'm reading Ron Chernow's "Alexander Hamilton." Hamilton was such a marvel. What a cracking great story. My agency tells me there's no market for American history in entertainment.

BUTBUTBUT...DUEL! You don't get much more exciting than politicians dueling. I'm waiting any day for Cheney to call out Bill Frist.

OK, that last part is just my fevered day dream.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 19, 2005 3:08:06 am PDT #2618 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, I was just thinking the big duel to the death is actually about as Hollywood an ending as one could hope for in a real-life story. It certainly has more dramatic potential than, say, a story explaining how Hoover was unfairly blamed for the severity of the Depression.

The downside is that if it's filmed I will never again be able to get that National Dairy Council ad out of my head.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 19, 2005 3:15:10 am PDT #2619 of 10001
What is even happening?

BUTBUTBUT...DUEL! You don't get much more exciting than politicians dueling.
See. This is what I'm saying.

I just looked Hamilton up on some wiki, because the above really was all I remembered. Apparently, I'd disremembered that Burr, ironically, had averted an earlier duel between Hamilton and Monroe.

The downside is that if it's filmed I will never again be able to get that National Dairy Council ad out of my head.
I'm afraid to ask, but which ad?


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 19, 2005 3:23:22 am PDT #2620 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The radio call-in contest with the guy who has a mouthfull of PB&J sandwich and no milk to wash it down with.

"AWWYNNNN BUUUUHHH!"