It's simple. I slap 'em around a bit, torture 'em, make their lives hell...Sure, the nice guys'll run away,but every now and then you'll find a prince like Spike who gets off on it.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


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joe boucher - Jun 23, 2005 10:39:34 am PDT #15 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

....aaand now I'm hearing Mike Myers and Dana Carvey shouting this as a guitar blares.

Web's World! Web's World! FBI! Ex-cel-lent!!


lori - Jun 23, 2005 10:39:51 am PDT #16 of 10001

I have a bruise on my knee. Can I play?


AnthonyDe - Jun 23, 2005 10:44:45 am PDT #17 of 10001
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

Also, I'm taking out some issues I've read around the net, here.

I've seen in two places now, one you'd expect and one you might not, where people seem to want it to be more than just a cop show and take a supernatural spin! Like they want to catch Web putting on a helmet in his hyperbaric meditation chamber. Ok one of the places was the X-Files board but the other wasn't!

I think eventually hidden agendas, ulterior motives and all that good stuff will make it's way toward the surface and that may help people think differently.


Nutty - Jun 23, 2005 10:47:33 am PDT #18 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

putting on a helmet in his hyperbaric meditation chamber.

To ensure that his head wouldn't explode?

...I always wondered what people with headcolds would do if they had to be in hyperbaric chambers. Every time you want to blow your nose, boom!

...What a great idea for a crime show! Head-exploded corpse, locked-room mystery! I am genius!!


Deena - Jun 23, 2005 10:47:36 am PDT #19 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

She's unprofessional. She goes off on her own, disobeys superiors, and jeopardizes investigations not because of inexperience but because she thinks she knows what's best. I don't think that's a fault of the show; she's Mulder to Paul's Scully.

Dang, you made me think. You're right. She's unprofessional. To try to make some sense, she's internally consistent and Web's use of her is consistent to both characters, so I have no problem with her being kept in the group.

Going back to the 4 at the door nit: My husband didn't understand why the 4 of them all pointing their guns at the little girl dropped me out of the story. He laughed at that point. I think I was too caught up in the tension to be able to see the funny. I wanted them to be smart, professional, successful, and to catch the bad guy. I wanted to have some proof that they were covering all the doors (Danny used his walkie talkie to have the outside guys give their 20, but they didn't all speak up before the door was opened, which had me expecting that their perimeter had been compromised and they were DOOMED!) I think at that point I was so immersed in the story that I couldn't see the joke for worrying that the bad guy was going to somehow beat them and bad ugly death that the kids would find first would be the result.


brenda m - Jun 23, 2005 11:05:00 am PDT #20 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

This is Allyson's point, though. People harp on stuff like this:

Most notably, the assertion that Rebecca is too unprofessional at her job, and shouldn't be an FBI agent and therefore the show is ridiculous.

when that is in fact a Key Plot Element, not a failure to appropriately portray the FBI.


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 11:07:01 am PDT #21 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

This is Allyson's point, though.

Really? I wouldn't call that a nit -- I'd call that a misreading of the source text. To me, nits exists, but aren't relevant to the story.


brenda m - Jun 23, 2005 11:11:37 am PDT #22 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'd call that a misreading of the source text. To me, nits exists, but aren't relevant to the story.

Oh yeah, agree. I think (and I don't mean to keep speaking for Allyson, I just happen to agree on this point) that this particular post was a separate complaint from the one about nits. And it read to me like some people were reading that post as though the problem was whether Rebecca is or isn't professional. There's no question that she's not. But it's not a show flaw.


jengod - Jun 23, 2005 11:15:45 am PDT #23 of 10001

I don't think she's particularly unprofessional either, I think it's just a man's world and it's easier to see big lumpy guy who was on Firefly (HILARIOUS with the gun instruction, btw) as a professional, hard-core G-man than dainty rape-victim Rebecca as a bad-ass. Her hair is awful pretty and she's doesn't have the bravado (yet, and maybe never will) of the red-haired girl, so she tends more toward the model-actress archetype than the mad, bad and dangerous to know archetype.

I don't think it would be hard to change the perception tho, with a few training montages (whoo! who's with me?!) and the no-doubt pending exploration of how Becky Thatcher or whatever her name is became Rebecca Locke.


Polter-Cow - Jun 23, 2005 11:18:26 am PDT #24 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

the no-doubt pending exploration of how Becky Thatcher or whatever her name is became Rebecca Locke.

Oh, nitpick! In the article about her disappearance, the caption described her as Becky Locke, not Becky George.