Occasionally I'm callous and strange.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Natter 36: But We Digress...  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Jul 13, 2005 6:33:35 pm PDT #9707 of 10001

Pet cats toy with the mice they catch before killing them.

Yeah, and I don't like it any more. My cats get purina, nine lives and science diet. And, YES, Devi captures the occasional random mouse that makes it into my apartment. Sigh. And drops it in my bed.

The difference to me is whether the, um, food, is for the benefit of the pet or the petkeeper. I had a friend whose ball python would eat nothing but live prey. OK, can deal. Oook, but can deal. It'd starve otherwise. But really, gators? Eat butchered flesh or marshmallows or whatever ALL THE TIME. Hell, I fed them. Kittens? That's for the fucking fuckness of the owner. You domesticate a creature, you make up new rules, sorry, not going to give you a pass.

You wanna pass? Go make yourself lunch. Or leave the critter be. Cat? Domesticated. Gator? Yeah, just try me.


Cashmere - Jul 13, 2005 6:38:04 pm PDT #9708 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Domesticated animals and pets aren't wild animals. They're not (usually) going to starve if they don't get live prey. It's not even going to hurt them mentally or emotionally if they don't get live prey.

Giving a pet a live animal to eat is more of a thrill for the pet owner than for the pet and it's sick no matter how I look at it. It doesn't matter if it's a rat, a bunny or a bird.

But that's just me.


sarameg - Jul 13, 2005 6:41:53 pm PDT #9709 of 10001

And yeah, if I were raised in another culture (like wherever it is that cats=good stew meat), I'd likely have another tack. But in this culture? Not Acceptable. There are alternatives. Ones that don't involve potential pets.( and I realize there is a dearth of potential cat homes. Hell, I've payed for kitty abortions. Doesn't make them food any more to me.)


JohnSweden - Jul 13, 2005 6:49:55 pm PDT #9710 of 10001
I can't even.

ION, Sarah Vowell is my girlfriend.

Does she know about the Mars thing?


tommyrot - Jul 13, 2005 6:53:54 pm PDT #9711 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Nope.

I'll have to work my way up to that....


Emily - Jul 13, 2005 7:13:50 pm PDT #9712 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Lesson plans is hard.


Kat - Jul 13, 2005 7:15:26 pm PDT #9713 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Yep, Emily. Sometimes they are. That's why I opt not to use any.


Emily - Jul 13, 2005 7:56:13 pm PDT #9714 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Alas, I'ma get graded on this. And then, in a week, on another one.

Plus I'm trying to satisfy both classes' requirements in one lesson plan -- so backwards design, essential questions, and enduring understandings and catering to four different learning styles, multiple intelligences, and detailing possible accomodations/modifications. I mean, I think it'll be a good exercise and worthwhile, but... hard. Which makes me pouty.


Scrappy - Jul 13, 2005 8:10:03 pm PDT #9715 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

SO Brad Pitt was not a big delicate flower of a babyman for going to the hospital with a touch of flu--he had viral meningitis.

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Topic!Cindy - Jul 14, 2005 2:10:02 am PDT #9716 of 10001
What is even happening?

Some dicksmack here in town was feeding kittens to his pet alligator. He's in jail tonight on $72,000 bond after throwing the cat at animal control officers and for being a smart ass to the judge. He said he could do "anything he wanted, it's only a kitten."
Silly rabbit, kittens are for poker.

He could feed it any meat to keep it alive. He's getting his kicks by watching a small cute animal suffer at the hands of his bad-ass pet. I think his intent goes a long way to determine what is "cruel" and what is "humane".
This. That's the part that bothers me. I mean, it would still be weird if he could go buy pre-dead, frozen kittens, because I think of cats as "pets" and cow as "food." But it's the idea of making the kittens suffer like that -- that's what really bothers me.

For me, I think it is (aside from the owner clearly doing this for kicks) an issue, like Cashmere said later, of the species being domesticated as pets, and treated like prey. Also, it's not like the gator happened to get a kitten that wandered into the yard. That's natural, and no different from the gator eating a steak. The man was feeding the kittens to them. I also think snake owners who buy live mice for their snakes are mean. If you think it is cool that Animal X is a predator, don't get one as a pet, and if you do, don't use a domesticated animal as prey.