But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium?

Fred ,'Smile Time'


Natter 36: But We Digress...  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Jun 20, 2005 4:18:58 pm PDT #3226 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I think it depends on the movie and the reaction.

I mean, when the reaction makes sense with what's happening on-screen -- okay. But when it's completely extraneous (Rudy!) no.

Also, people just talking through the movie isn't the same as reacting to it.

And in movie-related news: that King Kong preview thingy? Was that tonight? Was it between 7:59 and 8:02 central? Or an hour later?

Because I attempted to tape it and got nothing.

(Meanwhile, I just caught the fluffy cat eating the gray cat's food. She is completely unrepentent.)


Sue - Jun 20, 2005 4:20:32 pm PDT #3227 of 10001
hip deep in pie

that's mighty white of you

I don't think I understand this. Is it supposed to be an insult on white people or condescending to non-whites.

I think there's a special hell for those who talk in the theatre.


Jesse - Jun 20, 2005 4:23:51 pm PDT #3228 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also, people just talking through the movie isn't the same as reacting to it.

Sure, but I've definitely been in theaters where the reaction to the previous scene spilled over so you couldn't hear the next few lines. Of course, sometimes that has been me laughing too hard to stop....


§ ita § - Jun 20, 2005 4:32:57 pm PDT #3229 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is it supposed to be an insult on white people or condescending to non-whites.

It's supposed to be a compliment. On magnanimity.


Sue - Jun 20, 2005 4:34:23 pm PDT #3230 of 10001
hip deep in pie

It's supposed to be a compliment. On magnanimity.

(Boggles.)


Topic!Cindy - Jun 20, 2005 4:37:13 pm PDT #3231 of 10001
What is even happening?

Originally, it was a compliment. The usage then turned ironic. In truth, my college friend may have been saying it with irony, but knowing her, and going by (what I remember of) the way she said it (we're talking 20 years ago, probably), I also knew she'd never had it click in her head.

Here's a reference on appearances of the phrase and similar ones: [link] If the page is too wide for your screen, click on the 2nd-to-righthand button, and it should behave.


Daisy Jane - Jun 20, 2005 4:45:23 pm PDT #3232 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

"That's mighty white of you."

I thought it was a white knight sort of thing, nothing to do with a race at all.

Googling nets me this

THAT’S MIGHTY WHITE OF YOU! began according to Partridge’s ‘Dictionary of Catch phrases’ as a complement meaning that’s very decent, generous, forgiving, obliging, fair, etc. of you, or as one source on the web said “Thank you for being fair.” The phrase was used in the U.S. from the early 20th century and in the U.K. since the 1930s. It is not certain exactly where the phrase originated, but the two possibilities proposed are the southern U.S. and the colonies of the British Empire with, of course, racial connotations suggesting “like a white man, not like a Negro” – the ways of the white man being assumed superior. In modern usage it is often used jocularly and often sarcastically meaning exactly the opposite – that’s really rotten and nasty of you and you’re a no good bum!

Interestingly, in my search, this phrase only showed up in two reliable sources, Partridge and ‘Merriam-Webster Online.’ It did appear on one nondescript site and in the online Urban Dictionary, but since anyone can post anything in the Urban Dictionary, I generally refrain from using it as a source, although it may sometimes give a indication of a meaning. However, M-W Online only gave the positive interpretation under its definition of ‘white’ as follows: “From the former stereotypical association of good character with northern European descent: marked by upright fairness ”

Also this about easy as pie

The phrase "easy as pie" actually has nothing to do with pie. At least not the kind of pie you eat or throw. European-types started using the phrase in Australia around 1920. Turns out that the native Maori people of New Zealand have a word "pai" that means "good." So if you were good at something, they would call you "pai." And if you were so good at something that you made it look easy, that would be "easy as pie."


Steph L. - Jun 20, 2005 4:52:08 pm PDT #3233 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I always heard "that's mighty white of you" used in a sarcastic sense, like the person was being cheap and stingy as hell.

Still a racist phrase, but I've never heard it used as a compliment.

My Dad's family (and, much to my shame, my Dad sometimes) still uses such delightful euphemisms for black people as "spooks" and my favorite for sheer number of syllables, "jigaboo."

That's when I slink away and try to scrub out that half of my DNA.

I still catch myself saying "gyp,"even though I try really hard not to.

has patted me on the ass and exclaimed in Hungarian how pretty it is

Well, who HASN'T wanted to pat JZ's ass and exclaim (in any language) how pretty it is?!? Face it -- you have a GOOD ass, babycakes.


aurelia - Jun 20, 2005 4:54:54 pm PDT #3234 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I've never heard anyone say "mighty white of you."

The audience talking to the screen greatly enhanced my enjoyment of Friday the 13th part 8 - Jason takes Manhattan.


Jesse - Jun 20, 2005 4:54:57 pm PDT #3235 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Someone else already said this, I think, but "gyp" is weird in 21st c. America, because it's not like there are gypsies around much. Black people? White people? Jews? Pretty much right there. (OK, not in everyone's neighborhood, but clearly on everyone's tv, at least.)