Angel: Just admit it: you think you're gonna ride in, save the day, and sweep Buffy off her--Spike: Like you're not thinking the same thing. Angel: I'm already seeing somebody. Spike: What, dog girl?

'The Girl in Question'


Natter 36: But We Digress...  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nutty - Jun 15, 2005 12:00:47 pm PDT #2233 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I am thinking that those FLDS folks didn't do much in the way of advance planning when they started getting rid of their boys. Because, like, if they'd gone ahead and murdered them and hid the bodies, at least you wouldn't have cherubic, traumatized youths talking to the press, you know?

I suppose they could have arrested all these kids, and put them in the town/county jail for eternity, but I am sure if they did that lawyers would swoop in with vast glee, appealing and suing till the cows came home.


Trudy Booth - Jun 15, 2005 12:01:49 pm PDT #2234 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The first stop for many boys is Hurricane or St. George, where a network for exiles exists. They often share apartments or sleep on couches while trying to find work. Some end up in Las Vegas or Salt Lake City.

Oh dear. Vegas freaked me out and I'm a freakin' New Yorker. They must get there and think the rest of the planet IS a den of sin.


Trudy Booth - Jun 15, 2005 12:05:23 pm PDT #2235 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I am thinking that those FLDS folks didn't do much in the way of advance planning when they started getting rid of their boys. Because, like, if they'd gone ahead and murdered them and hid the bodies, at least you wouldn't have cherubic, traumatized youths talking to the press, you know?

There has been some buzz that they brace yourself for the "shock" think the end is imminent. And they're probably convinced the outside world doesn't care about children anyway.


Connie Neil - Jun 15, 2005 12:07:32 pm PDT #2236 of 10001
brillig

The community in question was in the process of shifting operations to El Paso, Texas. Their leader is missing and may be hiding at the compound they're building. (I always get nervous when religious groups start building compounds.) The state of Utah froze the FLDS' assets for fear that the chosen few were in the process of abandoning the "excess" members of the community while the faithful scarpered for texas.


Gudanov - Jun 15, 2005 12:07:35 pm PDT #2237 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

people saying such a law was biased against large families

It would get a tricky once you get past five kids.


§ ita § - Jun 15, 2005 12:08:51 pm PDT #2238 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It would get a tricky once you get past five kids.

So does keeping them clothed or sending them to school or getting them medical attention. More kids requires more money.


sarameg - Jun 15, 2005 12:10:46 pm PDT #2239 of 10001

FUCK.

No car until tomorrow.

The shipment came in late.


Connie Neil - Jun 15, 2005 12:12:24 pm PDT #2240 of 10001
brillig

Mandatory seat belts also runs into "How dare you infringe on my freedom to die messily!" thing around here. I'm thinking somebody intelligent pointed out that five-year-olds aren't old enough to decide they want to die messily in car wrecks.


Nutty - Jun 15, 2005 12:14:11 pm PDT #2241 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Note to upwardly-mobile cults (i.e., aspiring to religion-hood): long-term plans are your best friends. I don't care how imminent a rapture may be; if the ATF, FBI, DEA, or Social Services shows up first, you are still screwed. That goes double if they bring national news reporters with them.

I think a long-term plan is pretty much what differentiates a cult from a religion. Even the doctrine doesn't have to have a long-term plan, but the leaders sure better have one. Basic advice, about the level of:

Hey, Giant Accounting Firms: Don't let evil corporations cook your books in wildly obvious ways! Even if the Supreme Court doesn't hold you responsible in the end, you will still be squashed like a fraudulent bug.

And:

Hey, Evil Corporation: if you're gonna snooker the state of California, for CRYING OUT LOUD don't do it on tape! That is what meetings in underground parking structures are FOR!! Prove to me you're at least as smart as Hal Holbrook, you seething, rapacious pile of shmuckery!!!

Actually, this is kind of therapeutic.


kat perez - Jun 15, 2005 12:16:23 pm PDT #2242 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I think a long-term plan is pretty much what differentiates a cult from a religion.

This, I love. A lot.