I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


Fan Fiction II: Great story! Where's the sequel?

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Amy - Jul 19, 2012 6:42:27 am PDT #7902 of 10434
Because books.

I know comments are wonderful, especially good ones, but I think it's a lot to expect everyone to leave one. Everyone who buys a book doesn't write the author a letter. Views is maybe a better way to judge how many people have read your work, and then supportive comments are gravy. For me, anyway.


§ ita § - Jul 19, 2012 6:48:00 am PDT #7903 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

As a part of the SPN anon meme I did make a pledge for a month? Two weeks? Anyway, an amount of time that felt way longer than one week, to comment on any piece of art I actually clicked through on and *looked* at, and any fic I finished. I didn't finish as many as I usually do--but for me that's really not a bad thing. I will literally try and read every fic in my pairing that hits AO3 or the main LJ community that doesn't contain a squick pairing or warning/component. It's not the pairing, but it is the other pairing. Traffic is decent. That was my habit at the time, anyway. I have since started putting LJ notes on authors and only retrying them every 3-6 months to see if they've upped their game.


Connie Neil - Jul 19, 2012 6:54:19 am PDT #7904 of 10434
brillig

For me "good job" feels like a pat on the head from a teacher--not quite as rewarding as might be imagined. Something with a bit of personality is preferred "That was nice" or "They made me laugh!" or something. A "good job" is better than nothing, but not really much better.


Zenkitty - Jul 19, 2012 7:11:11 am PDT #7905 of 10434
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Comments are great! People can say whatever they want to. As long as it isn't rude. I agree that page views are probably a better way to judge the number of people reading, but I couldn't be arsed to look it up, myself.


Consuela - Jul 19, 2012 7:17:18 am PDT #7906 of 10434
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

There really isn't any perfect way to weigh response. Comments are great, but fewer than 5% of readers leave them (on average). Hit counts are helpful, but they don't show you if someone hit the back button ten sentences in. Links on Delicious or Pinboard or AO3 can be nice, except they often don't include any commentary. Recs are great, although I admit to being mildly peeved if I get recced by someone who never left me a comment.

Frankly, we're never going to be satisfied. I know someone with a story that has been bookmarked 400 times on Delicious, and she still thinks she doesn't get enough feedback.


Amy - Jul 19, 2012 7:19:51 am PDT #7907 of 10434
Because books.

Frankly, we're never going to be satisfied. I know someone with a story that has been bookmarked 400 times on Delicious, and she still thinks she doesn't get enough feedback.

I guess that's the disconnect for me. Some genres aren't even going to get more than one review somewhere, and very few direct communications from readers. And, you know, when someone buys your book, you still don't know if they actually read it, or read part of it and threw it against the wall, or what.

I guess I'm saying that writing with the idea of feedback, especially good feedback, in mind is probably emotionally dangerous.


Consuela - Jul 19, 2012 7:31:39 am PDT #7908 of 10434
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm saying that writing with the idea of feedback, especially good feedback, in mind is probably emotionally dangerous

Indeed. I hate to see writers write to the readership, because the readership is notoriously fickle. It leads you off into answering the feedback instead of following the story's own logic.

Me, I had one story I was writing that was almost entirely for me, because it was narrated by and was primarily about an OC, a family member of the canon characters (who it turned out later never actually existed, although I didn't know that at the time). I had hated the way the canon ignored the possibility of family, and wanted to examine that. So I wrote the story for myself, and figured hardly anyone would read it because hey, no Winchesters.

Turned out to be by far my most popular story in the fandom. Possibly my most popular story ever. Somehow, in writing for myself, I hit the fannish sweetspot.

Of course, it's never really happened again, but it was nice.

Is it time to put up the link to Penknife's essay about The Claw? [link]


§ ita § - Jul 19, 2012 7:46:47 am PDT #7909 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What do reccing and leaving comments have to do with each other?

I don't have an official rec outlet, but leaving comments and putting on Delicious aren't really related activities for me. One is talking to the author, and one is saying "I might want to read this again, or tell Amy or Lee about it." Don't always overlap. Though I did pass my D/C list onto someone I don't really know yesterday, that was the first time in the years I've been accumulating it.

The picture I spent the most time composing and put the most thought into the most innocuous-seeming of components and put the most heart and feeling into...got the most comments on LJ/kudos on AO3/bookmarks and comments on dA, and represented me breaking my block.

I can't argue with that...I may never be able to argue with comments ever.


Consuela - Jul 19, 2012 7:53:02 am PDT #7910 of 10434
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

What do reccing and leaving comments have to do with each other?

Some? I mean, if one likes a story enough to tell other people to read it, why not tell the writer themself? I know it doesn't always work that way, for whatever reason, but I acknowledge my irrationality on the subject.

That said, I agree that bookmarking is different than a public recommendations post, or it can be--people bookmark for a variety of reasons, and not always for purposes of sharing.

The picture I spent the most time composing and put the most thought into the most innocuous-seeming of components and put the most heart and feeling into...got the most comments on LJ/kudos on AO3/bookmarks and comments on dA, and represented me breaking my block.

Yay! Whereas for me, often the most throwaway stories are the ones that get the most comments. Because there's something about them that isn't over-thought, perhaps? I don't know.


§ ita § - Jul 19, 2012 8:02:20 am PDT #7911 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean, if one likes a story enough to tell other people to read it, why not tell the writer themself?

I guess I could come back and say "Hey--I recced you."

But if they find out I recced them, maybe they didn't need to be told?

They just feel like different urges for me as a consumer.

But then again, I keep watching artists agree on etiquette points on tumblr that mean nothing to mean, and I think maybe I don't have the profile or the volume to understand. I mean, you can repost my picture from scratch if you want, and you can reblog my entry and delete my comments if you want. I seriously don't give a fuck. If I did, I'd not only not put it on tumblr unwatermarked and unsigned, I'd not put it on the internet.