I was being smart ass (towards the people who wrote the fics). Fic is already "reading" canon. I was "reading" the fics.
Buffy. When I saw you stop the world from, you know, ending, I just assumed that was a big week for you. Turns out I suddenly find myself needing to know the plural of 'apocalypse.'
Riley ,'Potential'
Fan Fiction II: Great story! Where's the sequel?
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Typo Boy - Jun 03, 2012 1:04:30 pm PDT #7777 of 10434
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
§ ita § - Jun 03, 2012 1:20:21 pm PDT #7778 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Fic is already "reading" canon
I don't understand what that means. Is it a lit crit term, or something?
Typo Boy - Jun 03, 2012 2:24:38 pm PDT #7779 of 10434
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Yeah. Just means the reader has their own movie in their head when experiencing a work, and fic often takes that to a more extreme level. As do certain types of criticism that insist that stuff is going that the author probably did not intend. And this sort of thing has been part of popular culture for a long time. Like Sherlock Holmes fans who picked bits and pieces out of canon to make an argument that Watson was a woman. I'm pretty sure that was done pre start trek and pre post structuralism just for fun.
§ ita § - Jun 03, 2012 2:41:10 pm PDT #7780 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Like Sherlock Holmes fans who picked bits and pieces out of canon to make an argument that Watson was a woman
Whuhuh? Point me in that direction. I'm curious.
Anne W. - Jun 03, 2012 2:42:21 pm PDT #7781 of 10434
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I've also read some convincing arguments for Holmes being a woman. (thank goodness for interlibrary loan)
Typo Boy - Jun 03, 2012 2:54:54 pm PDT #7782 of 10434
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Whuhuh? Point me in that direction. I'm curious.
Rex Stout's "Watson was a Woman" 1941. [link] for historical context. [link] for the actual speech.
You know how you always warn against clicking the links? I'm warning on this for extreme gender stereotyping. Gender stereotypes are the entire basis of the argument. But Rex Stout was a fairly extreme male chauvinist even for his era. (I think Victorian era Doyle had more respect for women than Stout.) And the Baker Street Irregulars for many decades excluded women. Maybe if they had stopped being a sausage fest earlier in their history they would still be the premiere Sherlock Holmes society as they were at their peak.
Connie Neil - Jun 03, 2012 3:06:51 pm PDT #7783 of 10434
brillig
We could learn a lot from the Holmsean fan kerfuffles.
DebetEsse - Jun 03, 2012 3:57:59 pm PDT #7784 of 10434
Woe to the fucking wicked.
You say "learn," I say "find hope for the future of humanity during fandom idiocy." It's nice to know that there is no new wank under the sun.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 03, 2012 5:30:38 pm PDT #7785 of 10434
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Would anyone happen to have a copy of Nanoochka's "Ancillary Stroke" saved that I could beg a read of?
§ ita § - Jun 03, 2012 5:55:25 pm PDT #7786 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Hey--did she ever finish her Marty Sue D/C fic?