Yesterday, my life's like, 'Uh-oh, pop quiz!' Today it's like, 'rain of toads.'

Xander ,'Beneath You'


Fan Fiction II: Great story! Where's the sequel?

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


P.M. Marc - Dec 15, 2009 7:28:50 pm PST #6386 of 10436
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I think there were no women because, hey, MANPAIN. Fans find manpain appealing, but womanpain NSM.

There was Parker.

I enjoy manpain over most womanpain, because most (not all, but most) womanpain hits too close to the bone. Hell, it's been the big block for me in writing any serious always-a-girl Winchester stories. Remove the XY layer of abstraction for me from the worst of it, and I go sympathetic fetal.


§ ita § - Dec 15, 2009 7:30:48 pm PST #6387 of 10436
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't even write the word womanpain with the same nonchalance I write I write manpain. There's a gravity that's just not as fun.

Does Faith have a bad fanon childhood?


P.M. Marc - Dec 15, 2009 7:32:14 pm PST #6388 of 10436
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Faith has a fanon bad childhood. She is one of the womanpain! exceptions in fandom such as I've noticed.


Morgana - Dec 15, 2009 7:33:50 pm PST #6389 of 10436
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Well, Faith had a bad canon childhood too, didn't she? At least according to her. She's not exactly a reliable narrator.


P.M. Marc - Dec 15, 2009 7:36:34 pm PST #6390 of 10436
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Most of the bad fanon childhoods have roots in canon. I mean, we know Pa Vecchio was up there with Wyndam-Pryce pere in terms of dicktasticness.

Faith's bad childhood gets a nod in canon, a stronger (more explicit) nod in some grey canon (official tie-in books), and a HUGE nod in fanon.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 16, 2009 5:43:54 am PST #6391 of 10436
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Canon was that Faith's mother was an alcoholic and left her unsupervised a lot, right?


erikaj - Dec 16, 2009 6:00:02 am PST #6392 of 10436
Always Anti-fascist!

I think so, yeah.


P.M. Marc - Dec 16, 2009 7:04:51 am PST #6393 of 10436
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Also, dead!


§ ita § - Dec 16, 2009 8:42:24 am PST #6394 of 10436
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think there were no women because, hey, MANPAIN. Fans find manpain appealing, but womanpain NSM.

There was Parker

They've walked a strange and delicate line with Parker--her childhood pain has been played both for real sadness and for absolute hysterics. I think that helps her get on that list. Having herself buried alive by friends in order to get over claustrophobia? Blowing up her house? That's the kind of childhood trauma I can get behind. Starbuck is much more raw.


Vonnie K - Dec 16, 2009 8:59:37 am PST #6395 of 10436
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I have a lot of tangled, difficult-to-voice feelings about the fetishization of manpain in fandom. I mean, I enjoy it myself, and the ability to distance myself from the suffering while enjoying the delicious angst is nice. Also, it can be kinda empowering to witness fictional manly man forced to show their emotional vulnerability. On the other hand, the whole manpain thing gets so much emphasis in fandom at the expense of female characters (sometimes at the literal expense -- as in female characters getting fridged to up the manpain quotient), I've become more reluctant to revel in it as I used to.