I'd say Angela actually comes closest to the old authorial insertion type Mary Sue
Her eyes are almost violet, it's true. It's hard to talk authorial insertion as a factor when the main character is based on the author, I guess.
If I'm going to write a new team member for the Jeffersonian, or Leverage or a friendly rival for Charlie Eppes, I just have to be damned good, it boils down to. Because it doesn't matter if I managed to avoid making it look like I want to be this character--the fact that I have to make them so good at everything the main character(s) is/are good at, plus likeable (and attractive, for the former two shows, I think) I'm on thin ice already.
plus likeable
Ah, but I think that's part of it - a Mary Sue character is liked, rather than likeable. imho. We're TOLD that they are fabulous and universally beloved blah blah blah idealism cakes, rather than being made to like them ourselves. If the author can make them genuinely likeable, then we're probably looking at someone who's more three dimensional than a Mary Sue.
I mean, Dawn probably ought to be a Mary Sue, and Fred definitely should be - but if they (actor and writers, or writer) flesh them out and make them real and make us give a damn, then they aren't a Mary Sue. Mary Sues are flat. It's the difference between Buffy and a Buffybot, kinda, in terms of characterisation.
Er - so I may have just started to commit GCS RPF. here.
Excellent! (Running off to read now.)
We're TOLD that they are fabulous and universally beloved blah blah blah idealism cakes, rather than being made to like them ourselves.
Yeah, this.
Although my interpretation of Mary Sue is: someone who warps the narrative around them. They're like a black hole of charisma and achievement, and not only do they have a ton of accomplishments and are universally beloved, but they also steal the thunder of everyone else in the story. In fact, the story is written in order to make sure that they get to be the star.
This is somewhat acceptable in a single-protagonist story, but unacceptable in an ensemble environment. And even in a single-person focused story, it gets overwhelming. See, e.g., Jerusalem by Laurie King, which is where I stopped reading the Mary Russell Holmes novels.
Did you guys all read this already? I just stumbled upon it myself: Torchwood/Addams Family Crossover by Basingstoke. Very good, I thought.
Ooooh
t scurries over to lj
I don't know if I'm just in one of those moods today or what, but I found a fic that just charmed me beyond belief and I felt the need to share it with you all: [link]
A retelling of The Little Prince with Spock as the Little Vulcan, Leonard the Fox, and Jim Kirk, the Pilot. Gorgeous art work to accompany it. Go, share the love.
