never mind. I meant to do an search and hit Post instead.

In addendum to Sheryl's oh-so-fun peeve, I feel the need to add my lesser and snottier peeve at people who write fanfic based on oral reports of spoilers, and publish same, before the episode has aired (anywhere). Which, actually, has been warned very well and politely and with no summary-woes that I have seen. Just -- oh honey, please do your trig homework instead, will you?

I am old and crabby. It is a full time job.

I am old and crabby. It is a full time job.

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I'm sorely tempted to write another John Winchester story just to show people why he's not the Worst Dad on the Planet. Except I do have other stories to write, too, ones less inspired by grumpy responses to meta discussions.

Except I do have other stories to write, too, ones less inspired by grumpy responses to meta discussions.

But if someone were to offer you a cookie, or a nickel, or something, that would give you another inspiration, wouldn't it?

'Cuz I could do that.

But I want to read another John Winchester story!

Semi-related, but not important enough to post in the place where I was wondering about this, I actually did get a chance to ask my BiL if his dad (working to middle-class, brought up in Virginia and Texas) came back from Vietnam liking the food, and if he then exposed his children to it.

The answer wound up being yes, and yes, pretty much the day the first local Vietnamese place opened (which, I have also learned, was sometime before 1977, as BiL was still in high school at the time).

So, clearly, now I want to see a story where John takes the kids for pho.

I'm sorely tempted to write another John Winchester story just to show people why he's not the Worst Dad on the Planet. Except I do have other stories to write, too, ones less inspired by grumpy responses to meta discussions.

Since I think I was the only person who dared to criticize daddy Winchester in the character discussion, I can't help but feel some of that may be aimed in my direction... I have read fic that portrayed him sympathetically. A couple of wee!Winchester stories, until I stopped reading them (a personal quirk, because I OD'd on the sugar content). There was one story that did the story of Dean and the waitress in -- Tampa, I think it was? -- (it was taken from a throwaway line in Croatoan), and it actually showed a good relationship between John and a Sam who was about 14 or so.

But my personal perspective is one of identifying with the guys' perspective (someone, I forget who, suggested that people probably either view this argument from the point of view of the parent or the boys). I don't think that's really unexpected, as the show is presented from their point of view, and it works for me. I enjoy it, and if Sam and I want to keep nursing our grudge against John, well, that's up to us. You are of course entirely free to view things from the totally opposite viewpoint. And to keep writing stories for the rest of us to read.

Variety of opinion is good, I find. I only tend to get irritated with people when they turn a character they don't like into a Villain. Which I find common in fic.

(a personal quirk, because I OD'd on the sugar content).

I actually like John, and I'm in that state as well. Kind of makes it hard to write one of your own, you know?

Since I think I was the only person who dared to criticize daddy Winchester in the character discussion, I can't help but feel some of that may be aimed in my direction...

I suspect that Consuela is probably referring to livejournal discussions rather than anything here.

Quite like how I'm not talking about any of you when I say that I really wish people would stop posting graphic incest outside of a cut tag.

when they turn a character they don't like into a Villain.

And I'm not suggesting John is a villain. I never thought he molested them (god, the fics I've run across with that storyline!) or intentionally starved them or beat them or abandoned them because he wanted to do so. I DO think he was a superb trainer, but an insufficient father. As Nutty said, variety of opinion.

I suspect that Consuela is probably referring to livejournal discussions rather than anything here.

Shrift is right, Morgana. My comment was sparked mostly by my interpretation that John's quest was driven by the need to protect his sons than anything else--I get the sense that a lot of people just think he abandons them because the only thing he can think about is revenge. And I just don't get that as his primary driver.

Honest to god, I wasn't pointing at you or even thinking of our conversation here when I said that. I'm not nearly that passive-aggressive. (Some, but not quite. *g*)