that's true...
It's all about choices, Faith. The ones we make, and the ones we don't. Oh, and the consequences. Those are always fun.
Angelus ,'Smile Time'
Fan Fiction II: Great story! Where's the sequel?
This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.
erikaj - Jun 22, 2006 6:10:37 am PDT #2298 of 10434
Always Anti-fascist!
Dana - Jun 22, 2006 6:59:04 am PDT #2299 of 10434
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
See, I would consider that "fanon that was confirmed by canon" or something like that. I don't think something can co-exist simultaneously in both canon and fanon. Once it's canon, it's no longer fanon.
Fay - Jun 22, 2006 7:10:26 am PDT #2300 of 10434
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Which is pretty much how I'd see it too. But that was the only handwavy thing I could do to make it make any kind of sense.
Meanwhile - where is your tagline from? I find myself wanting it to be from that cracktastic La Femme Nikita fic, and almost remembering it as such, but I'm probably making this up.
Dana - Jun 22, 2006 7:12:34 am PDT #2301 of 10434
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Where else? It's the "Today Antiques Roadshow, tomorrow Armageddon!" fic.
erikaj - Jun 22, 2006 7:14:53 am PDT #2302 of 10434
Always Anti-fascist!
I would say "Nuh uh! You're making that up!" but I remember the go-carts so I can't.
Fay - Jun 22, 2006 7:16:06 am PDT #2303 of 10434
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
So that really was LFN fic?
Wow.
Nutty - Jun 22, 2006 7:17:07 am PDT #2304 of 10434
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I don't think something can co-exist simultaneously in both canon and fanon. Once it's canon, it's no longer fanon.
If we were talking about reasonable people, I would posit that there might be a middle-category of "canon states A explicitly, and implies B, and C is fanon", where B is mixed canon-fanon and C, being logically derived from A and B, an even murkier mixed state.
E.g., the Angel episode Dear Boy implies strongly in a visual manner that Angel raped Drusilla, but never states it as such in outright words (or conclusive images). So speaking about that rape should be a mixed canon-fanon discussion.
But, where fanon is concerned, I don't think very many people are reasonable. (*cough* strawberry-scented hair *cough*)
Calli - Jun 22, 2006 9:23:37 am PDT #2305 of 10434
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
SPN: there's a writer putting up "Drunken Sam" pieces. She posits that instead of drunk dialing, Sam Winchester gets sloshed and writes hate mail to Stephen King. [link]
esse - Jun 22, 2006 10:01:02 am PDT #2306 of 10434
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!
My mind went to a number of hilariously scary due South places with that.
Mine too!
Another supernatural: someday (never comes) is a fantastic gen story about the life of John Winchester. Oh, it's just beautiful and heartbreaking.
amych - Jun 22, 2006 10:05:47 am PDT #2307 of 10434
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I think the key to fanon for me is that they're the non-canon bits that are mentioned in passing -- as character notes, mood-setting, backstory, or the like. To beat Nutty's example of "Dear Boy" into the ground, Angel raping Dru is so strongly implied that in my mind it's canon that they just couldn't show onscreen. A story in which Dru rather unaccountably turned to Darla for comfort and Darla gave her a tender and sisterly footrub would be (bad)fic, and ten such stories would be drearily derivative badfic that the first fic author would be quite right to be cranky about. However, it's not until there are a whole assload of stories about completely unrelated plots that reference Darla's footrub skills as a way of demonstrating her hidden tender side, that I call fanon.
No such thing as "both fanon and canon".