Angel: Miss me? Lilah: Only in the sense of…no.

'Just Rewards (2)'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Jun 02, 2005 8:09:47 am PDT #8731 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Wow, that's some full service policing. Cool.

When my parents' trunk got broken into while we were hiking, we got to watch the ranger dust for prints. And then the stolen purses were found, missing only the credit cards. Highly satisfactory.

Just got e-mail from DH. Apparently there are men in suits talking very seriously with upper management. He doesn't think his job is in danger, but it looks like big changes...gulp.


Sean K - Jun 02, 2005 8:11:32 am PDT #8732 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Kay O'Conner, is planning to run for Secretary of State in Kansas, which is the office that oversees elections. However it turns out that she has ,in the past, voiced the opinion that she does not support the right of women to vote

Oh dear. Where was this link I missed, Nutty?


-t - Jun 02, 2005 8:11:56 am PDT #8733 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Don't you have to, like, have a referendum to vote on not voting? And if you don't want the vote, don't you have to vote to take it away from yourself?

I don't think she's campaigning to get rid of women's suffrage, she just said that if it were on the table today, she wouldn't vote for it. Not that she could, if it were.


amych - Jun 02, 2005 8:12:57 am PDT #8734 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Apparently there are men in suits talking very seriously with upper management.

Are they named Bob and Bob?


Nutty - Jun 02, 2005 8:13:51 am PDT #8735 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

upthread, Sean. Gud supplied the link.


Sean K - Jun 02, 2005 8:14:07 am PDT #8736 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Are they named Bob and Bob?

I'd love to talk, but I've got a meeting with the Bobs in a few minutes....


-t - Jun 02, 2005 8:17:42 am PDT #8737 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

They are being referred to as the Bobs. No one has started gutting fish yet.


tommyrot - Jun 02, 2005 8:32:53 am PDT #8738 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The Science of Consistency

On fictional universes and the fans who rationalize them.

As a writer/editor at the American Council on Science and Health, I often criticize “crank” scientists who cling to a faltering theory long after it has become plain to all sane observers that the pet idea just doesn’t hold together logically. They are pathetic, quixotic figures.

We science fiction fans are not so different, though, when we struggle to rationalize away the contradictions in our favorite fictional universes.

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If Scotty witnesses Captain Kirk’s death at the beginning of Star Trek VII, it is extremely troubling to some of us—those who care, those who have intellectual integrity and the discipline of logic!—if Scotty is awakened from suspended animation approximately seventy years later in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation and asks whether Captain Kirk is still alive. Scotty should know that Kirk isn’t! Something is wrong! It doesn’t add up—yet it must! It must!

For you see, any story must have a certain amount of internal coherence if we are to achieve suspension of disbelief. And we must achieve suspension of disbelief. For most people, that just means that a given fictional universe must hold together for the space of two hours: if the main character in a conventional romantic comedy, possibly some movie for girls featuring Meg Ryan or someone like that, says at the beginning that she is an only child, she should not have a sister present at her wedding at the end of the movie. Stories like that—about boring, conventional people with their petty love affairs and their tawdry sex antics, people whom one could not trust when the chips were down and an Imperial Battle Droid were attacking your spaceship!—are relatively easy to keep consistent. It is only the grandeur and majesty of a fictional universe the size and complexity of one like the Star Wars universe, the Star Trek universe, the DC Comics universe, or the Marvel Comics universe (and perhaps soap operas) that is truly difficult to maintain.

Interesting - more stuff at the link... including comic fictional universes

Slate-cleaning measures such as amnesia often become necessary in unwieldy fictional universes. DC Comics, the creators of Batman, literally blew up their fictional universe in a 1985 comic book series, starting over from scratch in hopes of making the whole thing more consistent and modern. Unfortunately, they introduced some new continuity errors in the process, and the whole universe had to be blown up again in 1994. Finally, in 1999 (by which time I was starting to write a few stories for DC Comics myself), the editors hit upon a brilliant solution to keep continuity-obsessed fans off their backs: Hypertime.


Lee - Jun 02, 2005 8:38:53 am PDT #8739 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

They can count to one, at least.

I was thinking three, myself.


shrift - Jun 02, 2005 8:42:09 am PDT #8740 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Are they named Bob and Bob?

My Bob was named John; I didn't ask if he liked carrots, or where his other Bob was lurking.