Dawn: I thought you were adequate. Giles: And the accolades keep pouring in. I'd best take my leave before my head swells any larger. Good night.

'First Date'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - May 02, 2005 2:44:05 pm PDT #681 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

It sucks watching my grandmother bury all of her friends and family.

This. One of the saddest parts of settling up my grandfather's affairs on Friday was when my mom and her sister and his whatchamacallit-not-strictly-legal-widow conferred about who needed to be contacted, and realized that aside from business acquaintances there was only one person to call. And he wasn't any kind of recluse: he was a gregarious, expansive extrovert with a huge circle of friends, and he'd outlived all but one of them.


Topic!Cindy - May 02, 2005 2:44:28 pm PDT #682 of 10001
What is even happening?

Oh my word, Kat. That's too much temptation.


Kat - May 02, 2005 2:45:37 pm PDT #683 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

he'd outlived all but one of them.

See. This is a compelling argument for having a family. Then there would always be people in your life that you haven't outlived who ostensibly


JZ - May 02, 2005 2:51:47 pm PDT #684 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Well, my grandfather had a family, whom he adored and who adored him, but there's just something about friends, the people you're not related to and to whom you have no legal ties, whom you've chosen entirely of your own free will to love as family and who often know you in ways that your actual birth family just can't.


Allyson - May 02, 2005 2:51:47 pm PDT #685 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't actually see any proof that god exists, so that's where my head doesn't wrap, Cindy.


Cashmere - May 02, 2005 2:55:24 pm PDT #686 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I don't actually see any proof that god exists, so that's where my head doesn't wrap, Cindy.

There's where folks like us get tripped up, Allyson. It's not about proof. It's about faith. Of which I have none. I don't think you can prove the existence of God. But some people believe in spite of the lack of evidence.

That's also one other thing I don't get. Why doesn't God give us definite proof? Might make converting people a tad bit easier.


Topic!Cindy - May 02, 2005 2:59:54 pm PDT #687 of 10001
What is even happening?

I don't think you can prove the existence of God. But some people believe in spite of the lack of evidence.
I don't think you prove the existence of God, either. But I see evidence all around me that other people discount as accident.


Allyson - May 02, 2005 3:00:30 pm PDT #688 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yeah, I have no faith, either. The more I know about the Way Things Work, the more puzzled I am in faith in some supreme being playing with action figures in the dirt for reasons no one can guess. I might as well believe in a custard pie with the face of Mary oozing tears of sugar down the sides of an aluminum pan and fall to my knees and pray.


Jesse - May 02, 2005 3:00:38 pm PDT #689 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah, there's no wrapping your head around faith.


Topic!Cindy - May 02, 2005 3:03:48 pm PDT #690 of 10001
What is even happening?

Heh Jesse, I read your name as Jesus, when I first saw that post.