Yeah, but you're an amateur fry cook and I come from a long line of fry cooks that don't live past 25.

Buffy ,'Showtime'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - May 02, 2005 12:13:53 pm PDT #637 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A guy here who describes himself as real techsavvy/cool just mistook a Shuffle for an iPod remote control.

Does he not have billboards where he lives?


Daisy Jane - May 02, 2005 12:23:01 pm PDT #638 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Most high school biology textbooks have a chapter on evolution, and no mention of it outside that chapter, making it easy to skip. His view, which I'd agree with, was that evolution is the basis of just about everything else in the book, and that almost every section (on anatomy, cell biology, etc.) should explain that the things are that way because they evolved that way, and go into an explanation of why.

No doubt. I hate biology. Am not interested in it at all because it seems so random. Physics and chemistry were fine- they had rules that made sense. Hil's hypothetical biology book is much more in keeping with my sense of order and the way I understand things.


Lyra Jane - May 02, 2005 12:31:44 pm PDT #639 of 10001
Up with the sun

My high school biology class was hideous, and i went to school in what was then a very coonservative area, and we learned evolution anyhow, and no one's head exploded.


bon bon - May 02, 2005 12:36:52 pm PDT #640 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I liked bio so much in HS that I took three years and planned on majoring in it. (until I actually got to college. It did not work out.). But I think I would have been really confused by an extra layer of evolutionary justification on top of the material itself. Evolution is not self-justifying like that-- that way leads ID.


tommyrot - May 02, 2005 12:38:29 pm PDT #641 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The highlight of my high school biology class was the fetal pig organ fight.

I really don't remember if we discussed evolution or not. Probably not. The class annoyed me, as it was mostly a bunch of memorization.


beekaytee - May 02, 2005 12:42:01 pm PDT #642 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

High school conscientious objector here. No dissection of anything for me.

My alternative service was to run the ditto machine in the counseling office (foreshadowing? perhaps!). I skived off AND got woozy from the mimeo-fluid.

It was sweet!


Lyra Jane - May 02, 2005 12:43:43 pm PDT #643 of 10001
Up with the sun

My biology class wasn't hideous because of the material, I should say. I probably would have liked it a lot with a different teacher.

But we had an anorexic woman who, in a 45 minute class period, spent about 30 minutes discussing quotes of the day (not biology related, more Oprah-esque) and her diet, alternating with a succession of subs. It's a miracle I know any biology at all.


Nutty - May 02, 2005 12:44:14 pm PDT #644 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I don't remember formally learning evolution, but where I come from, it is just taken as a given. If I were asked to prove it, I would just turn on ESPN during a basketball game, or something.


JZ - May 02, 2005 12:50:18 pm PDT #645 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I don't remember ever being taught specifically about evolution in school (maybe a single hour's nod to Darwin in first-semester bio and again in European history), but I do remember both textbooks and teachers making mention of it in ways that clearly indicated that this was background info we were expected to already have some grasp of.

My bookshelves at home were lined with things like kid-theology New Testament storybooks and kid-science explanations of the Big Bang and everything that happened since, and I honestly don't think it was until I was in college that I realized that there are Christians out there in the world right now who object to evolution. The Scopes Monkey Trial, Inherit the Wind and all that, but right this very minute? It caused me to boggle.


§ ita § - May 02, 2005 12:52:28 pm PDT #646 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was taught that there was no way that birds could have descended from dinosaurs, because the bible says right there that God created them on Day whatever.

I stormed home pissed to my mother. But I was a fervently "There is no God but Science" child (I'd have wanted to be a scientist, but what was there left to do? They knew EVERYTHING). None of the schools past that point (I was about five at the time) contradicted evolution.