Whatever happened to the still beating heart of a virgin? No one has any standards anymore.

Giles ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Calli - May 17, 2005 10:49:38 am PDT #4966 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

academics and clergy, who always feel higher-class than their income.

I wonder if that's a left over from the second (and etc) sons in the upper classes going into the clergy (or the military) in post-Civil War England? Plus the whole bit with poor gentry women becoming governesses. And I understand that under Elizabeth I, getting into college (with the idea of going on to a clergy position, but often ending up in some sort of academic post) was seen as a route up to the middle class or even lower-upper class for poorer folks (ie the route Christopher Marlow was supposed to take, instead of becoming a playwright and atheist spy and etc.). It seems like the educated jobs were seen as what poorer members of the gentry did when they didn't have the money to support their class positions, but didn't want to move allegedly down into trade.

Or it could be I just read too much Jane Austen.


erikaj - May 17, 2005 10:54:05 am PDT #4967 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Sadly, I think Betsy is right.(I'm not sad about agreeing with Betsy...the other thing) Emily, yeah, and when I'm feeling especially H:LOTS likes carrots...the poor bastard obsessed with M*A*S*H.(and of course the AFRs) But I've not written Pembleton any letters so I guess I'm Okay. The thing that irritated me most is the feeling I got that if I talked to Wallace and asked "What about this?" I'd get some snitty "lurkers support me in e-mail," sort of response. Because he may be a genius, but he thinks he is a Genius, and you can read it in his prose.


Betsy HP - May 17, 2005 10:54:59 am PDT #4968 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I'm the daughter of two academics (college professor and assistant school superintendent), and the attitude in the town I grew up in was "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?"


Jesse - May 17, 2005 10:56:49 am PDT #4969 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

the attitude in the town I grew up in was "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?"

Those people? No class.

But I guess that's the other kind of class.


shrift - May 17, 2005 10:58:24 am PDT #4970 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

t looks at clock

I'm so not getting to the post office today, am I? Just like yesterday.

Bastards need to stop sending me work and making me attend meetings. Don't they know I have packages to mail?


-t - May 17, 2005 10:58:39 am PDT #4971 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

"If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?"

A legitimate question to ask economists. Otherwise, nsm.


sarameg - May 17, 2005 11:00:02 am PDT #4972 of 10001

In my family's case, education meant moving away from physical labor. Farmers, machinist, housekeeper. Oh, and a math teacher, but she was also a farmer. For my parents, an education was a heavily pushed way "up." When my dad was between post-docs, they had a couple months of unemployment where they lived with their parents. And despite education being really foisted on them, my machinist grandfather could not comprehend that it was ok for dad to be unemployed, that this was just the nature of postdocing in that era and field. Go out and get a job already. If you don't, there is something wrong with you! Lazy bum!

In my generation, we've got people with multiple degrees running brokely around and that's just what it is. But for the couple of cousins who didn't pursue higher ed, I think it took longer for that to sit comfortably, sadly (and dude, they probably make more than the average of us.)


Jesse - May 17, 2005 11:00:46 am PDT #4973 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I actually think there's something in the luxury to choose a profession for reasons other than maximum earning potential that speaks to being upper class. A liberal arts degree is "higher class" than an engineering degree, because it's so impractical. To me.

Maybe my head is too full of impoverished gentility.


Gudanov - May 17, 2005 11:01:52 am PDT #4974 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I'm the poor relation in my family.


msbelle - May 17, 2005 11:03:02 am PDT #4975 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

My extended family has a hard time reconciling that I had almost the most expensive education amongst us and when you factor earrings and cost of living live near the bottom of the bunch.