I got stabbed, you know, right here.

Mal ,'Shindig'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


vw bug - May 13, 2005 5:24:41 am PDT #3841 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

Cool. Sorry...didn't mean to ruin it for you. You may love it! Then we can compare/contrast. (Can you tell I'm writing end of the semester essays?)


Nutty - May 13, 2005 5:26:00 am PDT #3842 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

'Cause I'm dying to discuss the stupidness of last night's episode.

I thought it was kind of stupid. Or, self-indulgent. Flatmate blurted, 20 minutes into it, "This is very clumsy, isn't it?" That was when we both twigged it was all in Jack's head. Which, lame.


vw bug - May 13, 2005 5:28:47 am PDT #3843 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

Flatmate blurted, 20 minutes into it...

Yeah, when it all started falling apart (I think about 20 minutes before the end), I looked at Emily and said, "This better end up being a dream, 'cause otherwise, it's the worst hour of television known to mankind." And, the thing is, it was written and directed by series creator. I guess, due to Joss, I've come to expect more from a creator.


sarameg - May 13, 2005 5:28:49 am PDT #3844 of 10001

I believe you were not evil.

Is this to imply that I am now?!!

I think I could live with that.

"s" is for spoiler font, so I use it happily. Though I guess no one was complaining.

Waay overslept.


tommyrot - May 13, 2005 5:35:04 am PDT #3845 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

doom doom doom doom....

I've been wondering this for a while, but now I'm sure it's true: The current administration and the party in power is the most radical in the history of the US. Seriously. Or at least since the writing of the Constitution.

You might have heard about the Real ID act - that for all intents and purposes created a national ID card. This is attached to an important Defense bill so it's almost certain to pass.

There is a curious part of the act that uses an obscure part of the Constitution to declare that the Department of Homeland Security may do certain things that are completely outside the purvue of the US court system. If this part of the act is allowed to stand, it means that congress can pass any law it wants and (with a few exceptions) declare that the US court system (including the Supreme Court) may not rule on the law's constitutionality. So that whole part of our system of government that says that the judicial branch is part of a system of checks and balances - we're gonna throw that away....

[link]

(the link includes the relevant text of the bill.)

So if judicial review is the basic mechanism that enables the Federal court system—from the Supreme Court on down—to rule on the constitutionality of laws and government actions, then how could it be possible for Congress to pass a law that includes language prohibiting judicial review for the law in question? In other words, if Congress could somehow exempt a law from judicial review, then the principle of judicial review would be completely gutted because they could just exempt from judicial review any law they wanted to, even if that law is blatantly unconstitutional or it violates basic human rights. Surely this isn't possible?

Opponents of the concept of judicial review appeal to an obscure and cryptic article of the Constitution, the (in)famous Article 3, Section 2 (A3S2 for short), which states:

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

That last sentence is the kicker, because it looks for all the world like language that would enable Congress to wave a magic A3S2 wand over any piece of legislation no matter how outrageous and have it be completely exempt from review by the courts. The implications for the system of checks and balances if Congress actually invokes this provision are about as profound as it gets, which is why no Congress in American history has ever opted to open that particular can of worms... until now.

You can read more on the tinfoil hat implications of this here if you're interested, but I'll sum it up for you: Congress has crafted a completely unprecedented provision that guts the principle of judicial review by granting the DHS secretary complete and total immunity from the courts when it comes to the construction of "barriers and roads" in this one specific geographical region, and they've buried this provision inside a national ID card act which is itself attached to a large military appropriations bill that no Congressperson in their right mind would vote against (money for the troops and all that).


Jessica - May 13, 2005 5:39:18 am PDT #3846 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

You might have heard about the Real ID act - that for all intents and purposes created a national ID card. This is attached to an important Defense bill so it's almost certain to pass.

I thought it already had, and was just waiting for Dubya's signature.


Gudanov - May 13, 2005 5:40:45 am PDT #3847 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Regardless, it will be law.


Connie Neil - May 13, 2005 5:40:47 am PDT #3848 of 10001
brillig

I ordered a copy of my birth certificate from Pennsylvania yesterday because I'm expecting a huge upkick in fees for that sort of thing once people realize they can't find theirs and need replacements.


Topic!Cindy - May 13, 2005 5:50:38 am PDT #3849 of 10001
What is even happening?

You know, for people who are pegged as end-times obsessed, they seem to be missing where their actions are likely to fall on a biblical, eschatological scale.

That stuff is scary.


Nutty - May 13, 2005 5:51:15 am PDT #3850 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

FWIW, the Times editorial pages, and also my law-student flatmate, have weighed in recently on the case called Marbury v. Madison, from back in like 1801, which is when the Supreme Court stood up and said, "Hello, yes, this is mine." They wrote into that decision (which was about something totally irrelevant) that the judiciary branch was the one that would say what is and what is not constitutional, basically as a huge land-grab.

That's 200 years of precedent, and courts like precedents. The only way I can see the court being seriously overturned is if (a) court members themselves accept fraudulent arguments or (b) the court makes a decision and is ignored, sparking a consitutional crisis and a fair amount of rioting.