All right, yes, date and shop and hang out and go to school and save the world from unspeakable demons. You know, I wanna do girlie stuff!

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gus - May 12, 2005 2:40:53 pm PDT #3708 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

t finds himself opposite erikaj. It is a scary, wrong place.

Sexual slavery and sex for advancement seem different to me.

Melanin aside.


erikaj - May 12, 2005 2:46:01 pm PDT #3709 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Advancement? They did it to cross over and then they "belonged" to Madame whoever who tazered them if they took too long having dinner, and they all die because one woman decides not to service the crew members anymore...they beat her up, dump her over the side and then crush the others' airholes. Doesn't sound free to me.


Rick - May 12, 2005 2:56:22 pm PDT #3710 of 10001

It is all about the shriftness of shrift.

Recently, I was a speaker at a Festschrift honoring a well-known Psychologist. At a Festschrift, speakers say some nice things about the person who is being honored, and then give a scientific paper that is at least vaguely related to the work the honoree did. Most of the speakers at a Festschrift will be famous and distinguished, but the organizers usually make room for a couple of less conventional speakers like me: my great accomplishment was having an office next to the honoree, and therefore many amusing stories to tell at his expense.

As I was giving my speech I looked at the banner across the back wall "Festschrift!" and I thought "Festschrift! It's a festival of Shrift! We need a Buffista holiday to celebrate the festival of Shrift."

I thought it best not to mention these ideas to my audience at the time.


Gus - May 12, 2005 2:57:12 pm PDT #3711 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

t tickles erikaj

The container ladies were volunteers, right? They bought passage in the container, with they own money.

The other women, the ones who made it all the way to Madame, were the ones who bumped up against the vagaries of the free enterprise system.

Namely: bosses.


Gus - May 12, 2005 3:01:10 pm PDT #3712 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

"Festschrift! It's a festival of Shrift! We need a Buffista holiday to celebrate the festival of Shrift."

I thought it best not to mention these ideas to my audience at the time.

Fearful footnotes. Fear footnotes not. No one ever checks.


Topic!Cindy - May 12, 2005 3:03:14 pm PDT #3713 of 10001
What is even happening?

Being loaded before being in Boston... OK, It could happen.
But it needn't. All your booze belong to us.


erikaj - May 12, 2005 3:05:29 pm PDT #3714 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

More so than the African slaves maybe. But there were a lot of them who thought they were going to exotic dance or cross over to get jobs... And do you think they were thinking "My brother's borscht stand? or selling my ass in a place I don't speak the language." But I expect there are grey areas between slavery and freedom. And you always tickle me, babe.


Scrappy - May 12, 2005 3:13:57 pm PDT #3715 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Gus--a lot of the Eastern Eurpean women were lied to, told they were going to be hostesses or waitresses. I don't call that voluntary. It seems to be similar to the rings of deaf slavces which were discovered in NYC and Chicago. The ringleaders went mexico and recruited deaf workers, telling them the US was paradise and that they would get good jobs and training. They were then set to work peddling trinkets or flowers on the subway, packed into tiny apartments and beaten if they didn't hand over all the money they made. None of them could communicate in English or had any money to get out. The fact they they agreed to come to get jobs here is immaterial.


Steph L. - May 12, 2005 3:18:49 pm PDT #3716 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

From way back, sexual slavery is what got the girls in the cans in the Wire Season 2.

....cans? Like....tuna fish cans? Mountain Dew cans?

Advancement? They did it to cross over and then they "belonged" to Madame whoever who tazered them if they took too long having dinner, and they all die because one woman decides not to service the crew members anymore...they beat her up, dump her over the side and then crush the others' airholes. Doesn't sound free to me.

t could not possibly love erika more

None of them could communicate in English or had any money to get out. The fact they they agreed to come to get jobs here is immaterial.

t or Robin


Gus - May 12, 2005 3:22:55 pm PDT #3717 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

you always tickle me, babe.

Recorded here. All you other males may now stand ... wilted.

And do you think they were thinking "My brother's borscht stand? ...

They were each and every one unsurprised by the expected transaction. Check me. I am not saying that Russo ladies have less scruples than African ladies...

OK, yes. I disagree. The Borscht Ladies were on a different agenda.