On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


vw bug - Apr 30, 2005 5:58:21 am PDT #311 of 10001
Mostly lurking...

It's not something I look forward to, but moving my boundaries out further and further with family who've messed inconsiderately with me -- well, I have a large and difficult family. I'd be drained, wrung dry, and living a very different life if I hadn't.

Very, very true. I'm sorry...I probably didn't say that very well. I don't think you should push those boundaries out. They're very important. And even more importantly, you must take care of yourself.

No regrets are good.


Scrappy - Apr 30, 2005 5:59:59 am PDT #312 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

vw, I understand that most folks don't do something ike this without powerful cause and that they think they are doing what they have to do, but the thing is, it DOES hurt the people left behind--as you know. It causes everyone who cares about them fear and sorrow and anxiety. They go to seek their own peace, while robbing all who are close to them of theirs. One can understand the behavior, one can forgive it, but it doesn't change the fact that it's deepy hurtful.


Hil R. - Apr 30, 2005 6:03:12 am PDT #313 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

This has been the only story on CNN this morning, as far as I can tell. I just went out to breakfast, and the diner had CNN on the TVs there, and for the entire time we were there, there was no other story. Even the scrolling thing at the bottom was just talking about this.


Sue - Apr 30, 2005 6:13:51 am PDT #314 of 10001
hip deep in pie

It's one thing to run away, but the whole claiming to have been kidnapped thing is insane. I think she should be made to pay for the search and massive panic she caused.

I read this news story in the paper this morning: [link] It makes me sick. Why can't people like this be thrown in jail? Their business should be taken away from them, at least. Thousands of dollars in damages don't seem like punishment enough. I need to find out the name of their farm so I can be sure that I never buy produce from them.


Theodosia - Apr 30, 2005 6:16:29 am PDT #315 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Um, if that's an animal cruelty story, I'm not clicking. I'd rather read about a dozen selfish brides running away, seriously.


§ ita § - Apr 30, 2005 6:18:16 am PDT #316 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

No animals were harmed in the making of that story. A great deal of racist humiliation was involved, though.


Sue - Apr 30, 2005 6:22:04 am PDT #317 of 10001
hip deep in pie

It's a story about a farm in Quebec that segregated their farm workers. They were taken to task by the Quebec Human Rights Tribunal, but one complainant was awarded $100K, and the rest of the complainants got $10K. It just doesn't seem like enough censure to me.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 30, 2005 7:12:27 am PDT #318 of 10001
What is even happening?

For a start, I have incredible contempt for high-maintenance lies.
Sing it. Also? I am just always boggled at the work that goes into them. It's much easier to take your lumps, I think. Then it's over.

As for that farm, I think I would have rather read a story about cruelty to animals.

No animals were harmed in the making of that story. A great deal of racist humiliation was involved, though.

And really, humiliation was the tip of the iceberg. The article said the cafeteria lacked heat, running water, proper toilets, refrigeration and many other amenities. Amenities? Amenities?!? I find the use of amenities there more anger-making than I probably should, but I don't think running water, heat, and propert toilets should be considered amenties in the U.S. and Canada anymore, and certainly not when talking about workplace conditions, particularly for workers who handle food. WTF?!?

They would have their farm taken from them under the you-suck-hard law I'll be establishing, right after I establish my more-naps and more-cookies law, when I'm recognized as supreme ruler.


Susan W. - Apr 30, 2005 7:18:10 am PDT #319 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I only just realized the runaway bride shares our last name--I get all my news from blogs, TDS, and the occasional bit of NPR these days. Which means she's probably a very distant cousin (to DH and Annabel, anyway)--distant because we've never heard of her and have no ties to a Georgia branch of the family.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 30, 2005 7:23:13 am PDT #320 of 10001
What is even happening?

I was wondering about that when I read the story, Susan.