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'Dirty Girls'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sue - May 10, 2005 8:38:32 am PDT #2771 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Ooh, interesting. What exactly do you mean by "the digital divide"? Who is on which side of the divide?

I was just going to mention the digital divide. Those who have access to computer, the internet, and benefits of that information vs. those who, because of socio-economic factors (poverty, illiteracy, geography), do not have the same kind of access. There's the rich/poor, urban/rural, first/third world divides.


Hayden - May 10, 2005 8:40:24 am PDT #2772 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Though I did get that basic thesis from reading the Ballard intro I referenced.

Yeah, what amused me was the reflexivity of your reply. Which is exactly what Mediated is about.

From Ballard I got: It's not the portrayal of violence in the media which has desensitized people and made them alienated from their own experience. It's that we are aswim in a world of constant narrative, where every television ad is a tiny story. That culture has superseded experience and we check our emotions against this narrative white noise instead trusting what we feel, or even having an interior emotional context in which to place those feelings.

Sure. De Zengotita starts the book by discussing where he was when Kennedy was shot: in a method acting class. When the first person came by to tell the class that the President had been shot, the people thought it was an acting exercise and attempted to get in touch with their emotions about that. When they found out he'd died, they all had a visible outpouring of emotion, such that when they found out it was true, they were all embarrassed to be unable to separate the representation of their emotions from the reality. He claims that everyone is a method actor now, because the media feeds egos so effortlessly now that people cannot distinguish between how they feel and how they are supposed to feel. There's a lot more rolled into this concept, but that's the heart of it.


Sparky1 - May 10, 2005 8:41:24 am PDT #2773 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

What exactly do you mean by "the digital divide"? Who is on which side of the divide?

I'm talking about the have and the have not issue. For instance, the Gov't Publishing Office is making more of its publications available only via the Internet. No computer, no access. Additionally, there are rumblings that while everything the GPO puts up on the Internet will be available for reading for free, to actually print or download may someday cost money.

What's real access to a computer? Do you have to own it? Do you need DSL or something very speedy to effectively have access to everything that's available? Is it enough to put one in a library for public access? What about the filters that places (even some libraries) apply?

signed, librarian, married to an educator


Nilly - May 10, 2005 8:43:48 am PDT #2774 of 10001
Swouncing

Sparky! I can't remember when I last posted with you. It's good to "see" you.

Emily, outlaw Emily! Exclamation points!


Sparky1 - May 10, 2005 8:46:58 am PDT #2775 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

Nilly! It's been quite a while. I've been working on a big project since December and I just finished at the end of April. I'm now working on being around here more, rather than, um, er, working.


DavidS - May 10, 2005 8:47:02 am PDT #2776 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Here's Ballard's quote:

Our universe is governed by fictions of all kinds: mass consumption, publicity, politics considered and managed like a branch of publicity, instantaneous translation of science and techniques into a popular imagery, confusion and telescopage of identities in the realm of consumer goods, right of pre-emption exercised by the television screen over every personal reaction to reality. We live at the interior of an enormous novel. It becomes less and less necessary for the writer to give fictional content to his works. The fiction is already there. The work of the novelist is to invent reality.
J.G. Ballard, from the introduction of the French edition of Crash

This is very funny in a tragic kind of way.

When the first person came by to tell the class that the President had been shot, the people thought it was an acting exercise and attempted to get in touch with their emotions about that. When they found out he'd died, they all had a visible outpouring of emotion, such that when they found out it was true, they were all embarrassed to be unable to separate the representation of their emotions from the reality.

This seems the slippery part:

He claims that everyone is a method actor now, because the media feeds egos so effortlessly now that people cannot distinguish between how they feel and how they are supposed to feel.

Supposed to? It all loops back into all the usual Wittgenstein and French critic mess where the authority behind "supposed to" is inevitably self-creating and justifying and itself mediated. Ah, I should probably just read it.

Yeah, what amused me was the reflexivity of your reply. Which is exactly what Mediated is about.

sniff I knew that.


tommyrot - May 10, 2005 8:49:39 am PDT #2777 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is it just me? The photo of Willy Wonka standing behind Anakin Skywalker just kills me....

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Nilly - May 10, 2005 8:49:57 am PDT #2778 of 10001
Swouncing

I've been working on a big project since December and I just finished at the end of April.

Congratulations on finishing, then.

I hardly have been around here lately myself (crazy semester), so, as usual, everything still is my fault.


Kate P. - May 10, 2005 8:50:49 am PDT #2779 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Interesting, Sue and Sparky. I figured that was more or less what you meant, but I don't really know the details. I'll see if I can fit that in. The program I'm applying to has a really good school librarianship certification program, which is what I'm thinking I will probably do, because that would be handy to have, and I like working with kids, especially teenagers. So it's good to have something to say specifically about education and how that affects access to information.


tommyrot - May 10, 2005 8:53:45 am PDT #2780 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The new digital divide

From a link to the article (not the article itself):

Not only are there computer havers and computer have-not-ers, but there is a divide between the people who understand and utilize the suite of new tools the Internet has to offer, including blogs, and those who check their e-mail and the weather and know how to use Mapquest.