and my post was basically regurgitating what I'd said to them, more from the pov of venting than informing anyone here of something they didn't already know
Sorry. I'd misunderstood this.
Rather than having a default setting of Jewish = victims, everyone here has a default setting of Jewish = aggressors.
I can't recall seeing any argument for Israel starting from a "Jewish=victims" setting written any time in my lifetime. At least, not anything applied to any current events; I have seen it in discussions of the fight for independence. (FTR, I think "Jews were victims of the Holocaust, and therefore deserve Israel" is bad logic and not likely to convince anyone of anything anytime soon. The best argument for Israel that I can see, from that sort of perspective, is looking at the number of countries that wouldn't take in Jewish refugees, but I'm not even positive that that's the best perspective to start from.)
(Also, a bunch of this is just getting stirred up in my brain right now by my complete and utter frustration over the British academic boycott, and I can feel myself headed into a rant, which I don't really want to do, so I'll end it here.)
Quick shallow fashion dithering question: I'm going to see Rasputina tonight. Should I wear black ringlet hair falls, or black dreadlock hair falls (with a mini top hat, black skirt, petticoats, corset, and high-collared blouse)?
I'd say ringlets, but I'm like that.
Pictures, please?
Dreads, and an eye-patch.
Pictures, please?
If there is time, I will try and have Pete take pictures.
Dreads, and an eye-patch.
I would be SO tempted to do this, but I don't have an eye-patch, or the time to make an appropriate one before the show tonight.
Happy Belated Birthday, GC!
The best argument for Israel that I can see, from that sort of perspective, is looking at the number of countries that wouldn't take in Jewish refugees
My knowledge of Jewish history is basically nonexistent, but are there many of those anymore? What would happen if Jews who came to Israel after WWII tried to go back to their countries of origin? (I understand that being Jewish in 1948 Germany would have been, at best, deeply uncomfortable, though I'm not sure even that is an argument for a country in 2005.)
I'm neither pro or anti-Israel, but I am terribly saddened that people have been killing each other over a piece of desert the size of New Jersey for 2000 years. I can't believe *any* god anyone should believe in would want that part of it.
