Yay for Nicole guestage! I hope you guys are having a blast.
Much ~ma for your mom, Calli.
I got stabbed, you know, right here.
Mal ,'Shindig'
Spike's Bitches 23: We've mastered the power of positive giving up.
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
Deena - Apr 13, 2005 4:30:27 am PDT #2980 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara
-t - Apr 13, 2005 4:34:43 am PDT #2981 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I think Greece around the time of Plato and those guys had the idea that the woman was just a vessel for the man's generative seed. I don't know when/how that changed, though.
Nora's headache, begone!
All these yard sales and people moving makes me want to pack something up.
(Eep, ~ma for Calli and Calli's mom!)
Topic!Cindy - Apr 13, 2005 4:41:54 am PDT #2982 of 10001
What is even happening?
Oh Calli, lots of health and healing to your mom, and calm to you.
I'm pretty sure I remember that as being ancient Greece. Possibly some other places, too.
I think Greece around the time of Plato and those guys had the idea that the woman was just a vessel for the man's generative seed. I don't know when/how that changed, though.Thank, Hil and -t. Do you have any idea where I could find a bunch of these sorts of theories? I can't even come up with useful search terms, for Google.
Connie Neil - Apr 13, 2005 4:42:59 am PDT #2983 of 10001
brillig
re: theories of conception.
I'm fairly sure that the idea of a male impregnating a woman with a Mini-Me hung on into the Middle Ages. The idea that sex caused babies came about pretty quick once people started raising herd animals and were able to observe the goings-on (but you knew that). I'm not sure when the concept of how and when the sex of the baby was determined was understood.
Just spent a few moments trying to find a website. Tricky search. Still looking.
Topic!Cindy - Apr 13, 2005 4:44:47 am PDT #2984 of 10001
What is even happening?
Thanks, connie. It is a tricky search. I also feel like I have no googleability today.
Calli - Apr 13, 2005 4:45:05 am PDT #2985 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Thank you, Deena, -t, and topic!Cindy.
one theory was that the male sort of planted a whole mini-baby, but can't--for the life of me--remember which society, or when.
I'm pretty sure I remember that as being ancient Greece.
Yep. In one version of the Orestes story, he's being punished by the Furies for killing his mother (she had killed his father, etc.). It was decided that avenging his father overroad the sin of killing his mother, because the Father was the true parent and the mother was merely a sort of incubator-nurse combo.
Not my favorite myth cycle ever.
Deena - Apr 13, 2005 4:45:40 am PDT #2986 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara
I did some googling too. I found a lot of nothing.
Lee - Apr 13, 2005 4:47:52 am PDT #2987 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Gronk. I've showered, and eaten, and am just about ready to get on the road.
Morning people are weird.
billytea - Apr 13, 2005 4:49:54 am PDT #2988 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
I think Greece around the time of Plato and those guys had the idea that the woman was just a vessel for the man's generative seed. I don't know when/how that changed, though.
It was still the belief at the time of Aquinas, I believe. You might try googling on the term 'preformation'. Apparently there's a book by one Clara Pinto-Correia, called The Ovary of Eve, which discusses the battle between theories that humans began fully formed within the sperm, and that they did so within the ovary.
Ginger - Apr 13, 2005 5:01:59 am PDT #2989 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
There was a belief for some time that the sperm contained a homunculus--a tiny person that grew in the womb. This led to the belief that each homunculus contained a homunculus and so on ad infinitum like Russan dolls. Here's one thing I found: [link] There seemed to be a fair amount of information from googling "homunculus" and "sperm."