Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.

Cordelia ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Apr 21, 2005 6:41:20 pm PDT #7924 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

So-called consumer debt can get out of hand, sure.

But access to credit is one of the bedrock mechanisms by which people are able to improve their economic standing. G.I. Bill credit in the middle of the last century was a huge driver of the growth of the middle class.


Jessica - Apr 21, 2005 6:42:19 pm PDT #7925 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

that Reza Aslan is one cutehead religious scholar.

He really is. And smart, too.


Gus - Apr 21, 2005 6:44:12 pm PDT #7926 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

and last week's comp check said the house is now worth $700k. He's made $250K in less than 2 years.

He hasn't made a dime. He has comp check in hand that will not buy a cup of coffee.

What are the real dollars he has spent on interest?


Maria - Apr 21, 2005 6:54:49 pm PDT #7927 of 10001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

He hasn't made a dime. He has comp check in hand that will not buy a cup of coffee.

If he sells the house tomorrow, he's got it in hand. Of course he won't have a house, but he'll have $250K.

If he had invested it, all he has is a piece of paper in hand that doesn't buy him a cup of coffee either.

What are the real dollars he has spent on interest?

Unknown. I only know the basics of his program. I do know that he has an interest-only loan, which allows him to deduct 100% of his mortgage payment off of his taxes.


Gus - Apr 21, 2005 6:57:08 pm PDT #7928 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

access to credit is one of the bedrock mechanisms by which people are able to improve their economic standing

Completely down with this statement.

Credit does not suck. Using it to meet basic needs does.


Maria - Apr 21, 2005 7:00:35 pm PDT #7929 of 10001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Using it to meet basic needs does.
Then for what the hell are you supposed to use credit? Purchasing a house improves your economic standing.


Gus - Apr 21, 2005 7:03:07 pm PDT #7930 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I'll lay the "if he sells for ..." thing off to one side, for a moment.

Anyone want to guess whether or not the bank made money?

From whom?


brenda m - Apr 21, 2005 7:03:47 pm PDT #7931 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

What's a basic need, though? Using credit to buy groceries - generally, yeah, bad idea. Using it to buy a car - not necessarily the wisest way to go, but the amount of the hit you take is something that most people can swallow. Real estate? That's a very different calculation.

Mind, the Economist was running the numbers and finding recently that in certain specific urban areas, house prices have gotten so inflated that you actually may come out ahead by renting*. (I'd copy the tables from the article here, but I've forgotten my economist.com log in.) But that abberation doesn't change the fundamental rationale for 99% of the world. And the affected areas won't be able to keep going that route for much longer anyway.

*Taking into account fees, interest, property taxes, etc., but also tax deductions and resale value. Pretty shocking, really.


Emily - Apr 21, 2005 7:07:26 pm PDT #7932 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

If you can't rent and save, something is wrong with your rent, or your income.

I'm sorry, sa-- sa-- I do not recognize this word you are using.

In a related note, my mother is buying her very first house. She's able to do this because she just got married, and her husband has some money.


Gus - Apr 21, 2005 7:09:04 pm PDT #7933 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Then for what the hell are you supposed to use credit?

Anything that keeps you ahead of the interest. Real Estate may work, in some markets. Poker might work in others, given the investor's skill.

Manufacturing works for some.