Wesley: We were fighting on opposite sides, but it was the same war. Fred: but you hated her…didn't you? Wesley: It's not always about holding hands.

'Shells'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Lyra Jane - Apr 19, 2005 9:42:10 am PDT #7044 of 10001
Up with the sun

Georgetown Hospital is skilled at finding various ways to explain away BC pills as medically necessary so they can satisfy the requirements of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops

Thanks, Maria, though I'm still not sure I understand. Is it just sort of handwaved away? As far as I can remember, my doctor didn't try to get me to say I had irregular periods, or anything else that would make them serve a purpose beyond contraception. I would think that lying about why the pill is being prescribed would be worse than just prescribing it, but I suspect I'm missing something.


Sue - Apr 19, 2005 9:42:17 am PDT #7045 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Not being used for contraceptive purposes, is that okay

I think in practice, this is what happens. But doctrinally it's not. JPII said that there should be no sex besides the sex meant to procreate (even in marriage) so if you're infertile, fuggeddaboudit!


Nutty - Apr 19, 2005 9:44:26 am PDT #7046 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

You know what I am realizing from all this Pope hooha? I know a lot more ex-Catholics than I do active ones. Or anyway, everybody I've run into who has anything to say about this choice of Pope has said something negative, followed in 80% of cases with "well, but I'm not Catholic, so it's not my problem" or "well, I'm not Catholic any more so it's not my problem."

Which, you know, I live in a state with a 50% Catholic population, if you believe the self-report statistics. Where are they all hiding??


Lyra Jane - Apr 19, 2005 9:44:31 am PDT #7047 of 10001
Up with the sun

Clearly. But, hey -- was that quote originally in English?

I had that thought too, Jesse. The word "autoerotic," in particular, I wonder about as a possible clumsy translation.

Not that bad translation saves the guy, though.


Katie M - Apr 19, 2005 9:47:47 am PDT #7048 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Which, you know, I live in a state with a 50% Catholic population, if you believe the self-report statistics. Where are they all hiding??

All the ones I'm related to live in Western Masschusetts, if that helps.


Maria - Apr 19, 2005 9:52:03 am PDT #7049 of 10001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Is it just sort of handwaved away? My doctor didn't try to get me to say I had irregular periods, or anything else that would make them serve a purpose beyond contraception. I would think that lying about why the pill is being prrescribed would be worse than just prescribing it, but I suspect I'm missing something.

I don't want to bring up personal stuff, so I'm going to be rather annoying and speak cryptically. Yesterday's livejournal post and the reason for the visit? All the justification they need. Your doc doesn't need to tell you explicitly that s/he's prescribing BC pills for medical reasons and not contraception.

JPII said that there should be no sex besides the sex meant to procreate (even in marriage) so if you're infertile, fuggeddaboudit!

I'm going to split a few hairs here; forgive me, Sue. JPII said there should be no sex, except for sex in marriage, but it does not have to be for the express purpose of procreation. The couple only has to be OPEN to the fact that they may have created a tickybox, even if they were just getting their rocks off.

The prohibition against artificial means of fertilization comes from the notion that God has a plan for everyone, which may include not having children. Procreation should only come about from the expression of love a couple shares. Trying to circumvent God's will with IVF or artificial insemenation is a no-no.


Cashmere - Apr 19, 2005 9:53:09 am PDT #7050 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Benedict in my mind will always refer to Dirk Benedict. Face Man. Not the pope.


amych - Apr 19, 2005 9:54:40 am PDT #7051 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

papabile

Leaving aside all the politics, I adore this word. Every time I see it, I think "lunchables! only, it's popeables!"


Fiona - Apr 19, 2005 9:55:11 am PDT #7052 of 10001

My co-worker has a theory that Ratzinger was chosen because (She thinks she read somewhere that) Germans were leaving the church in droves.

I think a few million German ex-Catholics (at most) are a lot less important than the many millions in other parts of the world who would have been happier with another choice.

But in Germany, being Germany, if you leave a church you don't simply stop attending, you have to go and get a piece of paper saying that you've left, otherwise you have to pay church tax. So they have better statistics on actual membership than anywhere else.

I think at the moment it hasn't really sunk in here yet that there is a German pope. The tabloids were doing their best to persuade us there was no way Ratzinger had a chance.


Maria - Apr 19, 2005 9:59:38 am PDT #7053 of 10001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

papabile

Leaving aside all the politics, I adore this word. Every time I see it, I think "lunchables! only, it's popeables!"

Now with Limburger cheese!