Mal: So we run. Nandi: I understand, Captain Reynolds. You have your people to think of, same as me. And this ain't your fight. Mal: Don't believe you do understand, Nandi. I said 'we run'. We.

'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 9:24:01 am PDT #7027 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He can't have said autoerotic. That's just icky. But I'd love to see him explain why Hinduism offers more false hope than Christianity. And more cruel concepts.


Susan W. - Apr 19, 2005 9:25:24 am PDT #7028 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Oh, this is effin' brilliant.

I married him for his way with words.

Which is actually mostly true. During our early dating, we got to see each other at most once a month, but we wrote each other lengthy letters as fast as the Royal Mail would turn them around. If they hadn't been good letters, I doubt we would've stuck with each other.


Lyra Jane - Apr 19, 2005 9:26:46 am PDT #7029 of 10001
Up with the sun

I know that in Catholic hospitals that's what doctors have to do -- they can't prescribe birth control, but they can give the Pill for "irregular periods" or some such

FWIW, my doctor is affiliated with Georgetown University Hospital, which is Catholic, and she prescribed the pill as contraception. Maybe it makes a difference that I'm married (though it shouldn't), or maybe this depends on the hospital and the doctor.


Jesse - Apr 19, 2005 9:27:04 am PDT #7030 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Edit: LJ, I should have said in my anecdotal experience.

But I'd love to see him explain why Hinduism offers more false hope than Christianity. And more cruel concepts.

Because Christianity's true, silly. Also, God only hurts with love.

Actually, seriously, could you have someone heading the Church who didn't believe it was the One True Faith?


bon bon - Apr 19, 2005 9:27:53 am PDT #7031 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

He can't have said autoerotic. That's just icky. But I'd love to see him explain why Hinduism offers more false hope than Christianity. And more cruel concepts.

Yeah, I don't get autoerotic in that context. I think he would probably say that all religions that are not Catholic offer false hope because Catholicism is right.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 9:28:38 am PDT #7032 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

could you have someone heading the Church who didn't believe it was the One True Faith?

No, but identifying enemies isn't a requirement of belief is it?


Jessica - Apr 19, 2005 9:29:22 am PDT #7033 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Actually, seriously, could you have someone heading the Church who didn't believe it was the One True Faith?

I do think it's possible to believe yours is the One True Faith without going out of your way to explicitly demonize others. It's possible to say "Here are all the things I think are nifty about Jesus" without tacking on, "And here's why Buddhism sucks."


Nutty - Apr 19, 2005 9:29:32 am PDT #7034 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Ratzzinger's nickname was "Cardinal No," and he's very conservative.

But does he have a hairless cat? Yes, I know I am mixing my Bond villains.

I think electing that dude pope is the same thing, metaphorically, as electing Bob Dole president. Like, the skills of being a party apparatchik and attack dog are not the same skills that persuade people whom you don't already have by the short-and-curlies. And that is before you get to talking about yourself in the third person.

As for his being the head of the Inquisition, well, George Bush I was head of the CIA for a while, before he became Veep and then president. Which is a nice datum for the Lefty Paranoiacs Organizational Front newsletter, but didn't turn out to tell us anything about how he would govern the country.


Jesse - Apr 19, 2005 9:30:02 am PDT #7035 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I was ignoring the "enemies" part for the moment and focusing on the "false" part. But I can imagine a less-martial definition of enemy -- these are the forces that will encourage people away from Catholicism.


Daisy Jane - Apr 19, 2005 9:31:01 am PDT #7036 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Fair enough, ita, no one's saying he felt bad about it- I suppose I should say, I'm not willing to wave it away in light of his current poor standing with me.

Do you think he's creating an "other" to hate, or that he's preaching the doctrine he believes is true.

I think saying Buddhists could replace Marxists as the church's enemy is creating an "other" to hate, whether he believes it's true or not.

I am not a Catholic, and I could go through the Catechism, if I could be arsed to do so, and tell you where I think Catholic doctrine is wrong. Would that make me a hater, or one who promotes hate? How is it different from what we're doing now (except of course, that we're only talking to each other--and don't have the attention of the world--yet).

I don't understand your point. I didn't say he was a hater because he pointed out what was wrong with other religions. I said that he points to lies and distortions as if they are wholly a result of secularism, and I'm pointing out that if that's all he learned from the Holocaust, it was a poor lesson indeed, since his words quoted upthread were distortions.