The Boston Archbishop is a Franciscan I think.
Crap. Thank you!
Angel: Miss me? Lilah: Only in the sense of…no.
'Just Rewards (2)'
Natter 34: Freak With No Name
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Emily - Apr 19, 2005 8:48:14 am PDT #6994 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola
Trudy Booth - Apr 19, 2005 8:50:10 am PDT #6995 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Not everyone is brave.
Not everybody is God's go-to guy on earth, either.
Daisy Jane - Apr 19, 2005 8:50:12 am PDT #6996 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I think we differ in that I'm saying HY was irrelevant, and you're saying it's something that should have had a positive effect in him that you can't see.
That's pretty accurate. And bon bon's link, again I'm not calling him a Nazi, I'm calling him someone who doesn't recognize the lessons of the Nazis.
Steph L. - Apr 19, 2005 8:51:00 am PDT #6997 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Ratzinger has distinguished himself in the field of Jewish-Catholic relations.
Too bad he's been so hostile to all the other religions.
t edit To wit: In 1997 Ratzinger annoyed Buddhists by calling their religion an "autoerotic spirituality’" that offers "transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations." And Hinduism, he said, offers "false hope"; it guarantees purification based on a "morally cruel" concept of reincarnation resembling "a continuous circle of hell." The Cardinal predicted Buddhism would replace Marxism as the Catholic Church’s main enemy this century.
JZ - Apr 19, 2005 8:52:21 am PDT #6998 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
Maria, I'm so seriously thinking about it. I mean, I'm sincerely and utterly delighted to know that he's not only not a closet Nazi but has played an instrumental part in the Church's recent acts of apology, atonement and reconciliation. But that still leaves the social conservatism, the anti-feminism, the hostility to liberation theology, the etc. etc. etc.
But now I must leave -- first meeting with a staffer at the School of Circus Arts, to decide what kind of volunteer work I'll be doing with them for the next few months.
Daisy Jane - Apr 19, 2005 8:53:04 am PDT #6999 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
It's also possible I'm a little bitter about the one I wanted not getting chosen. Just a little possible, mind you.
§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 8:53:19 am PDT #7000 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm calling him someone who doesn't recognize the lessons of the Nazis.
What are the lessons of the Nazis? Do you contend that things like the bio claims aren't sincere, aren't lessons, or aren't enough? The reconciliation with the Jews mightn't be one? Not enough?
Is there any way he can have learnt lessons from that time without becoming a good guy?
Maria - Apr 19, 2005 8:55:58 am PDT #7001 of 10001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift
The HY membership doesn't bother me. After all, the man is only human. It's his positions on dogma and faith that leave me cold.
I'm calling him someone who doesn't recognize the lessons of the Nazis.
I think he does, but has internalized it in a way that manifests itself as the belief that secular society is inherently bad and religion will inevitably be corrupted by its influence.
Steph L. - Apr 19, 2005 8:56:13 am PDT #7002 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
From another board:
I heard the reason the Nigerian Cardinal wasn't elected is because the other Cardinals were still angry at him about those Nigerian e-mail scams.
bon bon - Apr 19, 2005 8:59:28 am PDT #7003 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
It seems unlikely given that JPII appointed all but three of the college of cardinals that any candidate would be a drastic departure from his unfriendliness to gays & women. This is the position of the church. Getting 2/3 of the college to agree to someone with substantially different positions from JPII is improbable, to say the least.