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Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Mar 31, 2005 1:15:14 pm PST #1995 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought this was an interesting article (NY Times, registration required), and definitely going to hit some buttons, but it's really stirring people up.


Kat - Mar 31, 2005 1:24:35 pm PST #1996 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I think the Waldman essay is, as the second link notes, sort of sour grapes. Oh, so the author-wife of a prize winning author has sex and is still madly in love with her husband? How those diamond shoes must pinch.


P.M. Marc - Mar 31, 2005 1:25:00 pm PST #1997 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm not shocked. She's taking a lot of abuse for anything and everything she says over at Salon, too, and it doesn't seem proportionate to what she's actually musing about.

I thought it was an interesting essay.


Kat - Mar 31, 2005 1:27:32 pm PST #1998 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

But some of the abuse is so stupid.

So she wrote a confessional piece? And bloggery types, kings of confessional writing, find it odd.

Okay.

Or perhaps they are upset because their confessional writing never makes it to the NYT.


§ ita § - Mar 31, 2005 1:27:38 pm PST #1999 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought it was interesting too. I know not of spouse love, nor offspring love, so I can't compare her feelings to mine.

I do wonder about her kids reading it eventually, though.

I'm trying to think of portrayals in fiction where the mother espouses more dedication to her spouse than her kids -- I can only recall instances in which there's sexual abuse, and she's letting it happen. Picking kids over spouse happens much more often, but then again -- you're supposed to protect them.


Lee - Mar 31, 2005 1:28:05 pm PST #2000 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

ita, do you have any more moving boxes?


DavidS - Mar 31, 2005 1:28:44 pm PST #2001 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't know if it's sour grapes as much as violating the current cultural presumptions about A Mother's Love. Which is presumed to be (as she notes) all-encompassing and supreme. It's almost shocking to hear somebody say they love their husband more than their children. Not because they do, but because people don't admit that so much.


Aims - Mar 31, 2005 1:28:48 pm PST #2002 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I'm trying to think of portrayals in fiction where the mother espouses more dedication to her spouse than her kids

I can only think of one. A Danielle Steele novel that begins on the Titantic. Mom sends all the kids to the life boat and dies with dad.


§ ita § - Mar 31, 2005 1:31:42 pm PST #2003 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

do you have any more moving boxes?

Not that are empty, or likely to be soon, no. Sorry.

violating the current cultural presumptions about A Mother's Love

Very much this. I feel really unable to predict how I'd feel in her place, but just questioning my responses to that article is making me realise how much internalising I've done.

Mom sends all the kids to the life boat and dies with dad.

Was there room for her? Were the kids messed up as a result?


Trudy Booth - Mar 31, 2005 1:33:35 pm PST #2004 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

When I was in college we had a particularly ugly piece of campus sculpture called Solar Wind.

We also had an art department that would cover the campus in senior projects every spring.

A friend of mine (actually, remember that comic with the penguins the other day? that guy) foolishly left his damp laundry in the laundry room. Dude, we were being helpful when we hung it on the volleball nets in the quad to dry... it could have mildewed.

The fact that the next day was Easter and everyone on campus and their parents would be wandering around all dudded up on their way too and from brunch at the commons 25 feet away... and that it might be kinda awakward to pick your way through the crowd and climb around on a volleyball net pulling down your clothes... mere coincidence.

The fact that we lableled it Solar Wind II -- Senior Art Project (please do not disturb) PROTECTED his drying laundry from harm, darn it. How were we to know that people would go over and read it and take photos and point and laugh and...

I'm smiling just thinking about it.