not paying attention to right wing claptrap already trashing the film for other reasons

David Brooks is an incoherent lunatic who should be locked up and beaten with cluesticks.

In order to get what he got from the scene he got it from, you had to completely throw out not only the rest of the movie, but everything tone-related in the scene itself. (And it didn't hurt to be a crazed wingnut looking anywhere for excuses to publish more of his crazy wingnuttery.)

I just finished watching House of Flying Daggers.

Love that film. Lovelovelovelovelove.

Love that film. Lovelovelovelovelove.

Great story, great action sequences, and the cinematography....

I mean, the color composition of every shot is just jaw dropping to begin with, and then you turn around and add shots like the one after Jin and Mei finish making love, where the camera flies very low over them lying in the white grass of the field, Jin in his blue and Mei in her green, passes over them and a pulls away, revealing the hill in the background with its myriad red-orange autumn colors.

Guh.

The last scene, where the action gradually devolves from gloriously coreographed masterful swordplay into two guys just beating the crap out of each other, and the snow is swirling around? Fucking amazing, that scene. The way it just goes on.

So...is Munich introduced and epilogued with Eric Bana's character as an old man? Do the terrorists and the hit squad members carry walkie-talkies instead of guns?

Mostly kidding, but I totally get what you mean about "Spielbergian" being a plus and a minus.

So...is Munich introduced and epilogued with Eric Bana's character as an old man? Do the terrorists and the hit squad members carry walkie-talkies instead of guns?

Heh, no. There is no voiceover at all, thankfully. And plenty of guns.

Mostly, it's an inability to be as harsh on his heroes as the story he's telling would seem to require. He doesn't give it a happy ending by any means, and the characters do go through hell, but the little details reveal him to still be a big softy at heart. The story he's clearly trying to tell isn't quite the story he manages to show.

I have an image of Tony Kushner wresting the sappy ending out of Spielberg's hands, saying, "Dammit, Steven, ya fucked up all your last ten movies in the last 20 minutes. Just stop at the morally ambiguous place and let it go!"

Like Lloyd Dobler "I know that I don't know, but least I know that I don't know. You know?"

Both The Producers and The Family Stone are bad, but The Producers is the only one I wish I'd walked out of.

It was painful. Matthew Broderick....ugh. Indescribably awful.

Jessica, have you seen the stage musical The Producers ?

Yep. Didn't like it much either (the music is mediocre at best and all the good lines are quotes from the original, with the exception of Cady Huffman, who was brilliant), but it was nowhere near as painful to watch as this movie. Maybe being on stage gave it enough distance to be watchable, I don't know

I just want to find my copy of the original and hold it very, very close and never let it go.