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Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video  

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DebetEsse - Dec 04, 2005 10:57:07 am PST #8887 of 10002
Woe to the fucking wicked.

My Issue with MFL is with the show itself. It's what Sondheim calls a "why" musical. The music adds nothing but music to Pygmalion, and I'm a big Shaw fan.

I think what I really liked about her in Roman Holiday was that she seems a lot less fragile than she had in most of the other things I'd seen her in. Vulnerable, yes, but not like she was about to shatter.


Kathy A - Dec 04, 2005 11:37:38 am PST #8888 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

It has one of the scariest moments I've ever seen - one of the few moments I can think of I actually screamed out loud.

The reason why I always watch that movie with the lights off. I especially like watching it with a WUD newbie, just to see them jump five feet off their chair (like I did my first viewing). Also, Alan Arkin is amazing as Harry Roat, Jr., and Richard Crenna is fun to watch as Roat's henchman.


Maysa - Dec 04, 2005 4:54:20 pm PST #8889 of 10002

My Issue with MFL is with the show itself. It's what Sondheim calls a "why" musical. The music adds nothing but music to Pygmalion, and I'm a big Shaw fan.

I completely agree. In fact, I think it detracts from the original - MFL makes their relationship more overtly romantic and I can't stand that. I'll take the Leslie Howard/Wendy Hiller version of Pygmalian over MFL anytime. (sidenote -- I wish Wendy Hiller was remembered more - she was one tough actress and my definitive Eliza Doolittle.)


P.M. Marc - Dec 04, 2005 7:00:14 pm PST #8890 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

What Maysa said. Pygmalian's biggest strength was in an ending MFL changed.


Gris - Dec 04, 2005 7:37:59 pm PST #8891 of 10002
Hey. New board.

I like both of them, a lot. My Fair Lady may be a "why" musical, but it's a good "why" musical (at least, I think so). I think that there are definite advantages to just adding (good) music to a story - heck, Sondheim did it himself with Sweeney Todd, which was already a (pretty darn good) play (and possibly a novel?) before he musicalized it.

As to the changes - yeah, the ending of Pygmalion is great, and My Fair Lady makes it happier, more saccharine, but that was rather the way with musicals at the time (and, to a large extent, today - Wicked anyone?) and it's a trend I certainly don't hate. I enjoy having my heart warmed. And as to what Maysa says, I'm convinced that the book and lyrics of MFL allow for an interpretation that is quite unromantic throughout most of the plotline. The movie doesn't take the most unromantic of interpretations, certainly, but the best live performance I've seen of it (at my high school, believe it or not, but our Eliza Doolittle was the most talented musical actress I've ever seen outside of a Broadway show, and better than most of them. Sadly, she is now married and working in a store that sells stuff on Ebay, in Hattiesburg, MS, rather than wowing audiences) definitely took a less romantic interpretation of it, which I quite enjoyed.

I don't object to The Lion King taking big elements from the plot of Hamlet but leaving out the suicide and massacres, either.


DavidS - Dec 04, 2005 8:52:35 pm PST #8892 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't object to The Lion King taking big elements from the plot of Hamlet

Or, more infamously, Kimba the White Lion.


Fred Pete - Dec 05, 2005 3:56:16 am PST #8893 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

(sidenote -- I wish Wendy Hiller was remembered more - she was one tough actress and my definitive Eliza Doolittle.)

Gotta second this. Seems like she pops up in so many movies where you wouldn't expect her.


§ ita § - Dec 05, 2005 4:12:51 am PST #8894 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

X Men 3 pics.

At least Beast is furrier than Nightcrawler was, but still. Storm's got black streaks in her hair. Why in god's name?

Hmmph.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 05, 2005 4:15:10 am PST #8895 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Also need to throw in a recommend of CHARADE for Audrey Hepburn. Total Hitchcock pastiche, but so much fun (plus, Cary Grant).


Fred Pete - Dec 05, 2005 4:34:29 am PST #8896 of 10002
Ann, that's a ferret.

Frank, you've given me a great segue to one we saw over the weekend. Touch of Pink is a romantic comedy about a young Ismaili (think Pakistani Muslim) man living in London, the mother living in Toronto who wants him to marry a successful Ismaili woman, and the English UNICEF economist with whom the young Ismaili man has a live-in relationship. And did I mention that the English UNICEF economist is male?

Mother drops in on son for a surprise visit as a (male) cousin back in Toronto is getting ready to marry a dentist. Complications ensue.

It's a pleasant, undemanding little movie that provides a few laughs. The one twist is that the young Ismaili man has a guardian angel -- the spirit of Cary Grant, played (quite well) by Kyle McLachlan.

(ETA: Yes, there's a shout-out to Charade. And several other Grant movies, including a scene with a lengthy quote from The Philadelphia Story.)